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griffey24
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06-23-2010, 02:03 AM
Post subject: 2/4 - my straight is better than yours - good shove?
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Straight Flush
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-villain in this hand is Bruut on stars, decent reg that plays mostly straight forward
-dynamic this session is that I'm playing pretty aggro, 3betting him a lot in the blinds vs his button on several tables
-stacked him once, flatted AK to his blinds 3bet and stacked his JJ on QJTx board
-whats the best river line? c/c, overbet, or c/shove? (I'm assuming nobody is folding)
$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($325.85)
Hero (UTG+1) ($703.90)
CO ($820.50)
BTN ($653.85)
SB ($418)
BB ($675)
Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1  
UTG calls $4, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, BTN calls $14, 2 folds, UTG calls $10
Flop:    ($48, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $35, BTN calls $35, UTG folds
Turn:  ($118, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
River:  ($118, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $90, Hero goes all-in $654.90
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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i can see you checking 7x on the turn, and it seems like he'd probably bet 7x hands to get value from sets/overpair + heart hands. so i like it
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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Numbr2intheWorld
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I kind of like a small raise better if he's a thinking player. Obviously, you raise though. How does he ever have anything.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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It's really just a terrible bet by him, the biggest thing you should get from this hand is to check to him in similar situations.
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Ravageur
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Official Montreal SwampRat
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I like it! He might even fold a 7 quite a bit.
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Family Cruise IMO
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by Numbr2intheWorld
It's really just a terrible bet by him, the biggest thing you should get from this hand is to check to him in similar situations.
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Do you think his bet is terrible because he bet in the first place, or because of his sizing?
Would him betting around $170ish be better?
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by Numbr2intheWorld
I kind of like a small raise better if he's a thinking player. Obviously, you raise though. How does he ever have anything.
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I agree with this. I think raising smaller is more profitable and maybe even slightly more credible.
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nutsinho
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if ur pretty sure he doesnt have the board beat, shoving is CLEARLY better than a small raise. its not even close. ur line doesnt rep having the board beat very well so you have to give him a bad price. if ur line didnt look too retarded to be for value then you could raise smaller.
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Fnord
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if ur pretty sure he doesnt have the board beat, shoving is CLEARLY better than a small raise. its not even close. ur line doesnt rep having the board beat very well so you have to give him a bad price. if ur line didnt look too retarded to be for value then you could raise smaller.
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Awesome post.
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DaMachine
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I dont get what villain could play that way except small pp with a heart like 88 99 etc. Even with those I guess he would have bet the turn in position with overpair and FD.
I dont see what hand he can call a 3 bet preflop, call flop, not bet turn and bet river.
Obviously river bet does not make any sense except for 1 hand 77. In this perspective I like our AI on river.
Frome villains perspective what hand do we have here? Axh?
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DaMachine
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One Pair
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Oh btw those comments are more questions than statements. Just trying to understand the hand.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by DaMachine
Frome villains perspective what hand do we have here? Axh?
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It's two regs with history and both lines look FoS, so that's a hard question to answer. A lot of merit in getting the last word in here.
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by DaMachine
Frome villains perspective what hand do we have here? Axh?
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I'm pretty much saying to him "your line looks FoS, but so does mine. So you can call off $600 if you want, and hope for a chop and that I didn't slow play 7x or a flush"
I agree with Vi's previous post, it's also much more likely I have 7x even here, cause once I check turn villain probably doesn't expect me to have a flush, so he'd mostly bet 7x I'd imagine.
Also, I'm assuming that while some ppl do slowplay turned flushes etc, they are more likely to do it on a much less coordinated board than this one. I definitely have a c/c range on this board, so ppl should/would bet.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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I think c/fed is better but shove is pretty dece. He certainly doesn't have a flush imo, and he doesnt seem like he has a 7 when he checks the turn but his river bet is so small it hard to believe that he'd do this as a bluff.
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sauce123
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