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2/4 KK 200bb deep with polling goodness

  
 
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:32 PM     Post subject: 2/4 KK 200bb deep with polling goodness #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is an ok reg, nothing special imo, nothing stands out in my mind about his game. We've battled a fair amount, he knows I'm aggro, not much relevant history. He's running 24/18/2.4 over a lot of hands, 3bets 8% from the button, c/r's flop 8%, turn af 2.2, river 2.6. Sort of middling stats all around. He's a loser in my database but he's been around 2/4 and 3/6 for a long time, so I think he must be a winner overall.

Timing: he thought a little before betting the turn and insta, insta, instashoved river.

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MP ($496)
CO ($851)
Hero (Button) ($884.80)
SB ($912.70)
BB ($800)
UTG ($456.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
3 folds, Hero bets $14, 1 fold, BB calls $10

Flop: ($30) 7, 2, 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB raises to $74, Hero calls $50

Turn: ($178) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $148, Hero calls $148

River: ($474) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $564 (All-In), Hero...
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I would fold the river.
 
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Old 05-18-2009, 01:12 AM #3 (permalink)  
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does anybody try to get this in on the flop?
do the right thing.
 
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Old 05-18-2009, 02:07 AM #4 (permalink)  
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What if river is the ??

im prolly folding river vs this guy but wouldnt fold vs alot of others
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does anybody try to get this in on the flop?
definitly not the optimal play vs this guy 200bb deep
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Old 05-18-2009, 04:00 AM #6 (permalink)  
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why do you open so big on the button?
Surely, this is not optimal
my attempt to steal is like 50-60% on the button, obviously I usually have weak hands that can't stand a 3b so I make it 2.5x
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:20 AM #7 (permalink)  
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why do you open so big on the button?
200bb deep. I open 2.5x 100bb deep with most regs in the blinds.
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:26 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate playing deep without retards to pump up the pot.

I guess fold river, but I could call. Both the turn and river are good cards for us.

What's his re-raise range from the BB? If he's flatting QQ/JJ he could be making a funny "I missed my draw" push on the river trying to get value from worse.
 
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:30 AM #9 (permalink)  
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This guy wont fire the third bullet with air imo. Especially like this. If he cared about balancing his set line he's have a bigger flop c/r % to start with.

Alexos, I agree against guys who are good. What if they bet $388 on the 2
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What if river is the ??

im prolly folding river vs this guy but wouldnt fold vs alot of others
i mean sorry..

takes away 222 combos and doesnt make trips to 89 so a lot closer?
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:47 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Yeah I would say call on blank 2. It still begs the question if he's capable of it but I think its to good of a card for us to fold.
 
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One interesting thing I find from experience is that with guys who are less then great, they often don't know wtf to do when they c/r this flop w 89 and then hit showdown value on the turn and they often go into c/c mode because of it.
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