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pocketfours
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02-06-2012, 01:13 AM
Post subject: 2/4: garbage hand rivers a flush
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Villain is a solid reg, SB is a passive whale.
SB ($387)
Hero ($459)
UTG ($1,091)
CO ($89.11)
BTN ($422)
Dealt to Hero Q 8
fold, fold, BTN raises to $10, SB calls $8, Hero calls $6
FLOP ($30) 3 7 4
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $22.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $72.50, BTN calls $50
TURN ($175) 3 7 4 4
Hero checks, BTN checks
RIVER ($175) 3 7 4 4 2
Best line for hero?
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Fnord
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Without knowing much about your game or the dynamic in play, looks like a straight forward value bet to me. I also could see it being a really fun spot to over-bet shove.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Yeah I think you have to vbet, like 75 or something he feels like he has to call. Looks like he has 7x or an overpair that may not bet.
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pocketfours
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I'd pretty much automatically fold overpairs to any bet on this river against a reg. Don't really understand why I should even consider calling.
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ilikeaces86
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P4's what is the question? I would bet 75 and vs a uber passive prbly fold to a raise.
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pocketfours
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
P4's what is the question? I would bet 75 and vs a uber passive prbly fold to a raise.
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The question is: What hand, worse than Q8ss are we calling $75 on this river (as villain) that we aren't betting ourselves?
The passive whale folded on the flop if that wasn't clear.
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ilikeaces86
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If that is the question there are plenty of people that will call 88-AA at least a decent chunk of the time.
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pocketfours
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
If that is the question there are plenty of people that will call 88-AA at least a decent chunk of the time.
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Plenty of decent regs?
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baudib
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Isn't it a mandatory value-bet given how often you'll be bluffing this river?
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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ilikeaces86
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I would say yes, if people aren't calling hands that we beat then on this type of river we should be totally unbalanced to bluffs.
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pocketfours
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
I would say yes, if people aren't calling hands that we beat then on this type of river we should be totally unbalanced to bluffs.
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Yeah I would of course be very happy to be holding air on this river, but how?
A solid villain cbet pretty big into a whale and a very aggro reg on a draw heavy board. I really don't think a c/r with some speculative hand is going to show any profit with my image at least. I suppose Axhh and Kxhh with gutshots (5 combos) could be close, but even there I think I'm just burning money in this spot.
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I would probably just bet around 4/5 pot for value, I think an overbet gets too many folds tbh
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