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    Default 2/4: garbage hand rivers a flush

    Villain is a solid reg, SB is a passive whale.


    SB ($387)
    Hero ($459)
    UTG ($1,091)
    CO ($89.11)
    BTN ($422)

    Dealt to Hero Q 8
    fold, fold, BTN raises to $10, SB calls $8, Hero calls $6

    FLOP ($30) 3 7 4
    SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $22.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $72.50, BTN calls $50

    TURN ($175) 3 7 4 4
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    RIVER ($175) 3 7 4 4 2
    Best line for hero?


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    Without knowing much about your game or the dynamic in play, looks like a straight forward value bet to me. I also could see it being a really fun spot to over-bet shove.
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    Yeah I think you have to vbet, like 75 or something he feels like he has to call. Looks like he has 7x or an overpair that may not bet.
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    I'd pretty much automatically fold overpairs to any bet on this river against a reg. Don't really understand why I should even consider calling.


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    P4's what is the question? I would bet 75 and vs a uber passive prbly fold to a raise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86 View Post
    P4's what is the question? I would bet 75 and vs a uber passive prbly fold to a raise.
    The question is: What hand, worse than Q8ss are we calling $75 on this river (as villain) that we aren't betting ourselves?

    The passive whale folded on the flop if that wasn't clear.
    Last edited by pocketfours; 02-21-2012 at 03:55 PM.


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    If that is the question there are plenty of people that will call 88-AA at least a decent chunk of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86 View Post
    If that is the question there are plenty of people that will call 88-AA at least a decent chunk of the time.
    Plenty of decent regs?


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    Isn't it a mandatory value-bet given how often you'll be bluffing this river?
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    I would say yes, if people aren't calling hands that we beat then on this type of river we should be totally unbalanced to bluffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86 View Post
    I would say yes, if people aren't calling hands that we beat then on this type of river we should be totally unbalanced to bluffs.
    Yeah I would of course be very happy to be holding air on this river, but how?

    A solid villain cbet pretty big into a whale and a very aggro reg on a draw heavy board. I really don't think a c/r with some speculative hand is going to show any profit with my image at least. I suppose Axhh and Kxhh with gutshots (5 combos) could be close, but even there I think I'm just burning money in this spot.


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    I would probably just bet around 4/5 pot for value, I think an overbet gets too many folds tbh

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