2/4: garbage hand rivers a flush

**pocketfours** · 02-06-2012 01:13 AM

Villain is a solid reg, SB is a passive whale.

SB ($387)
Hero ($459)
UTG ($1,091)
CO ($89.11)
BTN ($422)

Dealt to Hero Q

8

fold, fold, BTN raises to $10, SB calls $8, Hero calls $6

FLOP ($30) 3

7

4

SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $22.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $72.50, BTN calls $50

TURN ($175) 3

7

4

Hero checks, BTN checks

RIVER ($175) 3

7

4

2

Best line for hero?

**Fnord** · 02-06-2012 04:22 AM

Without knowing much about your game or the dynamic in play, looks like a straight forward value bet to me. I also could see it being a really fun spot to over-bet shove.

**Numbr2intheWorld** · 02-06-2012 06:52 PM

Yeah I think you have to vbet, like 75 or something he feels like he has to call. Looks like he has 7x or an overpair that may not bet.

**pocketfours** · 02-07-2012 05:54 AM

I'd pretty much automatically fold overpairs to any bet on this river against a reg. Don't really understand why I should even consider calling.

**ilikeaces86** · 02-21-2012 06:03 PM

P4's what is the question? I would bet 75 and vs a uber passive prbly fold to a raise.

**pocketfours** · 02-21-2012 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

P4's what is the question? I would bet 75 and vs a uber passive prbly fold to a raise.

The question is: What hand, worse than Q8ss are we calling $75 on this river (as villain) that we aren't betting ourselves?

The passive whale folded on the flop if that wasn't clear.

**ilikeaces86** · 02-23-2012 02:32 AM

If that is the question there are plenty of people that will call 88-AA at least a decent chunk of the time.

**pocketfours** · 02-23-2012 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

If that is the question there are plenty of people that will call 88-AA at least a decent chunk of the time.

Plenty of decent regs?

**baudib** · 02-25-2012 03:23 PM

Isn't it a mandatory value-bet given how often you'll be bluffing this river?

**ilikeaces86** · 02-26-2012 08:16 PM

I would say yes, if people aren't calling hands that we beat then on this type of river we should be totally unbalanced to bluffs.

**pocketfours** · 02-27-2012 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

I would say yes, if people aren't calling hands that we beat then on this type of river we should be totally unbalanced to bluffs.

Yeah I would of course be very happy to be holding air on this river, but how?

A solid villain cbet pretty big into a whale and a very aggro reg on a draw heavy board. I really don't think a c/r with some speculative hand is going to show any profit with my image at least. I suppose Axhh and Kxhh with gutshots (5 combos) could be close, but even there I think I'm just burning money in this spot.

**doginthefog** · 02-27-2012 10:40 AM

I would probably just bet around 4/5 pot for value, I think an overbet gets too many folds tbh

02-06-2012 01:13 AM #1
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,589 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	2/4: garbage hand rivers a flush Villain is a solid reg, SB is a passive whale. SB ($387) Hero ($459) UTG ($1,091) CO ($89.11) BTN ($422) Dealt to Hero Q 8 fold, fold, BTN raises to $10, SB calls $8, Hero calls $6 FLOP ($30) 3 7 4 SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $22.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $72.50, BTN calls $50 TURN ($175) 3 7 4 4 Hero checks, BTN checks RIVER ($175) 3 7 4 4 2 Best line for hero?

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02-06-2012 04:22 AM #2
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,381 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	Without knowing much about your game or the dynamic in play, looks like a straight forward value bet to me. I also could see it being a really fun spot to over-bet shove.
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02-06-2012 06:52 PM #3
Numbr2intheWorld View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2006 Posts 4,538	Yeah I think you have to vbet, like 75 or something he feels like he has to call. Looks like he has 7x or an overpair that may not bet.
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02-07-2012 05:54 AM #4
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,589 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	I'd pretty much automatically fold overpairs to any bet on this river against a reg. Don't really understand why I should even consider calling.

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02-21-2012 06:03 PM #5
ilikeaces86 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2004 Posts 2,294	P4's what is the question? I would bet 75 and vs a uber passive prbly fold to a raise.

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02-21-2012 07:46 PM #6
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,589 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Originally Posted by ilikeaces86 P4's what is the question? I would bet 75 and vs a uber passive prbly fold to a raise. The question is: What hand, worse than Q8ss are we calling $75 on this river (as villain) that we aren't betting ourselves? The passive whale folded on the flop if that wasn't clear.
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02-23-2012 02:32 AM #7
ilikeaces86 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2004 Posts 2,294	If that is the question there are plenty of people that will call 88-AA at least a decent chunk of the time.

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02-23-2012 05:08 PM #8
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,589 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Originally Posted by ilikeaces86 If that is the question there are plenty of people that will call 88-AA at least a decent chunk of the time. Plenty of decent regs?

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02-25-2012 03:23 PM #9
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02-26-2012 08:16 PM #10
ilikeaces86 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2004 Posts 2,294	I would say yes, if people aren't calling hands that we beat then on this type of river we should be totally unbalanced to bluffs.

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02-27-2012 07:13 AM #11
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,589 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Originally Posted by ilikeaces86 I would say yes, if people aren't calling hands that we beat then on this type of river we should be totally unbalanced to bluffs. Yeah I would of course be very happy to be holding air on this river, but how? A solid villain cbet pretty big into a whale and a very aggro reg on a draw heavy board. I really don't think a c/r with some speculative hand is going to show any profit with my image at least. I suppose Axhh and Kxhh with gutshots (5 combos) could be close, but even there I think I'm just burning money in this spot.

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02-27-2012 10:40 AM #12
doginthefog View Profile View Forum Posts Join Date Feb 2012 Posts 3	I would probably just bet around 4/5 pot for value, I think an overbet gets too many folds tbh

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