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zook
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11-06-2008, 07:39 PM
Post subject: 2/4 - ATo - thin value on scary board?
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Villain is 25/19/3.1 over 1.7k hands, 3bets 11.5%. Turn check standard? Any river value here?
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CO ($400)
Button ($800.50)
SB ($410)
BB ($415.60)
UTG ($447.60)
Hero (MP) ($424)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A , 10
1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 3 folds, BB calls $10
Flop: ($30) A , K, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB calls $24
Turn: ($78) 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($78) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero...
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Fnord
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How well does he play? How often would he c/r bluff? I generally go for a small value bet here and play my read if raised.
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will641
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bleh, seems like your ahead too often to not bet.
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zook
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Originally Posted by Fnord
How well does he play? How often would he c/r bluff?
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My notes are all pre-flop, but he is Russian  River c/r is 27% which is really high, but even this many hands is a small sample for something like that.
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Fnord
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Bet/Snap if he can beat Top Pair Up good for him.
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Alexos
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bet is fine
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Irisheyes
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If we are villain here how often should we be c/r bluffing the turn, assuming you had bet, or the river, assuming you checked the turn and then bet the river?
btw I usually bet the river and close my eyes.
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nutsinho
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EZ bet but i would go very small.
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zook
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ok...
River: ($78) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $50, BB raises to $377.60 (All-In), Hero...
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Fnord
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Probably snap it.
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Grinder4Life
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Easy value bet.
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nutsinho
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50 is not a good river bet
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Probably snap it.
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umm.. this is a pretty easy fold I feel like.
ANYTHING he called with on this board, for the most part, has SD value and likely also two pair now.
I can't see many hands here that would legitimately need to turn itself into a bluff, so this is Qx a ton I think. AJ,KJ,KT,JT will all either c/f or c/c if they think you are bluffing. Qx will check bomb obviously, so we have to really be praying for a rag Ax or Kx turning itself into a bluff to call here.
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IowaSkinsFan
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I'm extremely confused by river raise size but fold, and agree with nutsinho bet less one river
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nutsinho
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I'm also confused and I don't think calling is hopeless but I'd still fold. Maybe I am a big pussy
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will641
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I'm also confused and I don't think calling is hopeless but I'd still fold. Maybe I am a big pussy
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mid stakes donk obv.
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a500lbgorilla
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It doesn't make sense for Hero to check a Q behind on that turn and vrs a guy who has an affinity for being russian and check/raising rivers, I'd gobble this bet up!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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