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12-20-2008, 09:09 PM
Post subject: 2/4 - AQs in blind battle vs. aggro reg 170bb deep
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Villain is an laggy reg, borderline spewy, running at 25/20/2.8 over a huge sample. He 3bets a ton (11%) and is capable of getting it in light pre-flop. He only folds to cbets 43% of the time and he raises them 23% of the time! His range here is very wide imo, including 66,88,86s,97s,75s,JT,T9, flush draws and air. Not sure if he would raise worse Q's here but I tend to doubt it this deep. I think he would probably 4bet shove nfd's and combo draws if I 3bet here.
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Button ($669)
Hero (SB) ($672.60)
BB ($890.55)
UTG ($400)
MP ($560.80)
CO ($264.50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , Q
4 folds, Hero raises to $14, BB calls $10
Flop: ($28) 8 , 6 , Q (2 players)
Hero bets $24, BB raises to $64, Hero...
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griffey24
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Given description, I'd say he's raising this flop very wide. I like calling and c/c pretty much any tun really. He's the type that would raise AJ here or some nonsense, and then bet any scare card on turn (club) so we should c/c any turns.
River.. probably read based on whether he'd shut down once called on turn I think.
3-betting isn't horrible on this flop, but I think he has a lot of air here that we're letting off the hook by 3-betting.
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Renton
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seems like its really really tough to beat the profitability of 3-betting
obv you should mix it up, but i'd 3-bet around 90% of the time
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Originally Posted by Renton
seems like its really really tough to beat the profitability of 3-betting
obv you should mix it up, but i'd 3-bet around 90% of the time
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If he is a thinking player he knows this is a great spot to raise, so I like re-raising him a lot here.
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griffey24
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If he is a thinking player he knows this is a great spot to raise, so I like re-raising him a lot here.
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I guess it depends how you interpret this. I interpret this as him thinking you will flat a lot of raises in this spot, given how deep, and that he believes you'll have a hard time calling most turn scare cards.
So in that sense, he's probably bluff raising a lot. So I feel like if a lot of his range is air, that will continue trying to bluff on scare cards, that we should call here and call turns as opposed to letting him fold his air by 3betting.
3betting/getting it in here lets off his air, and I'm not even sure we're too happy about the range we get it in with this deep on the flop.
(edit: especially that this is bvb deep, and hands like Q8s, Q6s, 68s are possible here even)
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zook
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Ok, I raised.
Flop: ($28) 8, 6, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $24, BB raises to $64, Hero raises to $164, BB calls $100
Turn: ($356) 2 (2 players)
Hero... (~$500 behind)
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Renton
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bet 111
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bet 111
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to induce or to bet/fold?
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Renton
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i have air in your spot a lot, so i'd bet 111 with that which would allow me to shove river (hence threat)
its probably not technically the best play with this hand, but it will probably tilt your opponent, if not in this hand then in future hands
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Renton
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pretty sure you have the best hand always so i'd call a shove of course
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Originally Posted by Renton
bet 111
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to induce or to bet/fold? |
i like... and no never ever fold
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Yah if we get to the turn like this, I like the small bet/call for sure.
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bet 111
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betting 111 is so livin'
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well he probably has a draw; usually a decent one and sometimes a very floaty one. That means that betting less than 1/3 pot probably isnt very good as he will just call with his decent draws correctly and probably not bluffshove as we look ridic strong. this guy seems like he might not be able to help himself if we check though so i'd choose between betting 172 (i really think this betsize is more likely to be met by a shove from a draw) OR checking and either shoving or calling down (to rep a draw on the turn not wanting to commit) depending on how much his bet leaves behind (assuming he bets ldo).
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ISF on Max's account: I'm kind of confused on what he has here most of the time. I'd say its most likely KQ, followed by the nuts QQ/88/66, then draws, then some random floats.
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Renton
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i don't agree that he has a draw, i think he has a weak made hand 65 or so % of the time, oesds and gutshots the rest of the time
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How do we feel about stacking off on this flop if he shoves over our 3bet? Aren't we behind his stackoff range (sets, 2 pairs, nfd's, good combo draws)?
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i don't agree that he has a draw, i think he has a weak made hand 65 or so % of the time, oesds and gutshots the rest of the time
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why would he have a weak made hand ever, other than maybe kq
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Renton
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yeah nm im dumb
i've had like bottom pair + bdfd in villains spot before though
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Renton
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How do we feel about stacking off on this flop if he shoves over our 3bet? Aren't we behind his stackoff range (sets, 2 pairs, nfd's, good combo draws)?
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very well, your hand is very very strong
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How do we feel about stacking off on this flop if he shoves over our 3bet? Aren't we behind his stackoff range (sets, 2 pairs, nfd's, good combo draws)?
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very well, your hand is very very strong |
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Aren't we behind his stackoff range (sets, 2 pairs, nfd's, good combo draws)?
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Renton
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i dunno, i think u are gonna be quite good vs his stackoff range, you aren't really that deep
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click it back imo
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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If we get in on the flop I think we're at best flipping vs his range, which includes KQ. I don't like 3betting for that reason.
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How do we feel about stacking off on this flop if he shoves over our 3bet? Aren't we behind his stackoff range (sets, 2 pairs, nfd's, good combo draws)?
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This varies depending oin whether it was you or him, who shoved.
I'd be happier if it was him who shoved, as opposed to us shoving and him calling.
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reraise flop,bet 1/2 pot turn..I am putting him on nfd,weaker Q
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