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Marshall28
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07-27-2009, 12:55 AM
Post subject: 2/4 AA 3bet pot 150bb deep.
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Don't know why the converter isn't working for FTR, keeps saying "zero handed" and won't give stack sizes. Anyways, read on villain is that he's a loose aggressive reg that I expect to be defending somewhat lightly.
I've been very active at the table in the last 2 or 3 orbits. What's the best line to take and why?
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meeloche
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Well I don't really think there's any better line than betting. I'd probably bet 2/3ish pot cause of how coordinated it is and the fact that your semi deep.
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dsaxton
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The fact that the board is so heavily coordinated could just as easily be an argument for checking as it is for betting.
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Alexos
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Your equity isn't great. Your hand can't stand many barrels. Just bet vs 90% of ppl.
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Parasurama
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What's the main argument against checking? I just have this vague idea that checking is worse than betting but I can't put it into words.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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if we take a passive line, we are in a slightly ahead/WB situation when he bets on the turn, and our hand turns into a bluff catcher the times he bets the river.
AA has like two streets of value on this board, and if we bet flop/bet turn and get called both times, we can be pretty confident when we check on the river and bets into us that folding is correct. the other upside is that we get two streets of value against his pair + FD hands.
the worst outcome taking the cbet flop line is when we get raised, and then i'd call flop/ c/f turn. i'm not sure whether this is neutral EV or -EV, but the +EV of the times he calls two streets must outweigh the overall EV of the passive line.
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Renton
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i think bet fold large is a pretty good default until adjustments are made
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Marshall28
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This seems to me like a board he's going to make a play on us like really often if he's calling the 3bet light, which I suspect to be the case. I feel like b/f is pretty exploitable, I feel like checking makes it a lot tougher to get blown off my hand, but of course then I have to be able to read villain's hand like super well which I'm not sure I'm capable of doing since I don't know what range he's stacking the flop for value with and what he's pot controlling, nor do I know what his 4bet range is like.
B/F seems like the easy way out, but I'm not so sure it's the most profitable. But if I check then it's like, am I calling? Then am I leading most turns? I suppose I could c/c c/r all in on good turn cards, that may be the best line if I'm not sure how often he's playing back. Dunno, would like to see stronger arguments for either direction.
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Renton
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i don't know if bet folding is correct, but I am almost 100% sure that a plan involving betting is >>>>>>>>>>>> one involving checking.
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pocketfours
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I'm in the b/f camp as well. It's very unlikely that he has the nfd whereas you could very well have it. I mean he is more likely to have the nuts than the nfd, which makes it less likely that you will be semibluffed here.
I think both c/f flop and c/c flop + c/rai turn lines are fine against the right opponents.
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bspahn
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the most important thing about this hand is how well you know your opponent - that'll give you the most EV (tendencies that you can exploit given this board)
I suppose if there isn't a read taking the easy route to bet/fold is okay since you're multi tabling right?
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Marshall28
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bfl4me told me that I c/f most of my air range here anyways so my betting range is very strong, in which case I shouldn't be concerned tossing this hand if I get raised. He agrees w/ you guys who said b/f. I think I agree too, especially since I'm basically always ahead when called.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
bfl4me told me that I c/f most of my air range here anyways so my betting range is very strong, in which case I shouldn't be concerned tossing this hand if I get raised. He agrees w/ you guys who said b/f. I think I agree too, especially since I'm basically always ahead when called.
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Great advice imo. I think against an aggro player i would go for c/c down, bet the rest of the streets if he checks at any point. It's just a very marginal spot because you could very well fold the best hand to a raise, but since i highly doubt your seeing any bluffs most of the time when he raises your close to drawing dead.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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just bet
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Irisheyes
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I think there is great advice ITT from p4's and bfl4me and I agree with b/f being best.
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Renton
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bfl said b/f not b/r
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Irisheyes
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