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freechus9
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07-06-2008, 10:02 PM
Post subject: 100NL Thin-ass shove
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Villain is quite LP at 55/14/1.1 after after about 80 hands. This shove too thin even though he's a shortstack?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($130.85)
SB ($142)
Hero ($112.95)
UTG ($115.10)
MP ($14.50)
CO ($52.60)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , T.
2 folds, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to $5, CO calls $4, SB folds.
Flop: ($12) 4 , 3, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, CO raises to $16, Hero raises to $77, CO calls $31.60 (All-In).
Turn: ($136.60) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($136.60) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $107.20
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EzDuzIt
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probably just check pre.
as played this is fine.
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i wouldn't raise preflop
there isnt a better option for the flop
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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Fnord
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You should generally pot this flop.
That said, I think a re-raise is your worst option barring a read.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
You should generally pot this flop.
That said, I think a re-raise is your worst option barring a read.
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would you call flop and stick it in on a non diamond turn?
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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Fnord
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Folding is probably correct. Calling to see a turn card + bet isn't bad. It really depends on what I think of him. After 80 hands, I usually have a pretty good grasp on how the table action plays.
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minSim
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Folding is probably correct. Calling to see a turn card + bet isn't bad. It really depends on what I think of him. After 80 hands, I usually have a pretty good grasp on how the table action plays.
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Do you mean calling flop raise and leading turn?
Meaning we shove every non-diamond turns and c/f-ing any other?
If effective stacks are 100bb deep, do you still like this line?
(I never use a call flop raise, lead turn line, it's seems like we're always b/f-ing turn when we do that, aren't we? I'm not sure)
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Fnord
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I donno man, what does that raise mean? How often is he following through? How often is he bluffing? How often is he folding to c-bets? Once he pops us on the flop figure out what that means for him. Seeing a turn card + action might help or at least give us some information for the next time we tangle. I think the effort is more important than trying to make spots like this standard.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
i wouldn't raise preflop
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Replace the nearly useless AF number with something of use like fold to c-bet or remembering if he calls or folds to big raises after limping and you should learn to love this raise against some guys because it can be absurdly profitable with less variance (aka chances you have a 10+ buy-in downswing) issues than the nits would think.
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dsaxton
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I think this is fine. Raising preflop here is a good way to make some easy money from weak players that limp in late position. I do this myself with a wide range. I would probably only make it $4, though.
Once he minraises the flop, there's enough doubt as to whether or not you have the best hand to justify a shove.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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thx for the tip fnord
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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