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12-13-2009, 06:25 AM
Post subject: 100NL stats for 16K hands
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This is from FTP 100NL 6m
I do a lot of checking back on the flop with hands like medium pair down to ace high which makes my cbet % low. What I could do to increase it is cbet more of my air. I would probably have to barrel a little bit more to compensate as well since my hands on the turn will be on average weaker.
I've been experimenting with calling people down lighter and so far they always have it. I think I should just nit it up on the river since my WTSD% is kind of high, my AF is kind of low. I win 27.5% when I call river according to the filter.
Anything else I missed? Any other comments at all?
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Numbr2intheWorld
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you're way too loose in the bb and sb
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JL
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- Fold to more 3-bets.
It looks like you are 4betting 10.8% of the time. That is probably too high. You are calling 27.8% of 3-bets which is definitely too high.
- You shouldn't be 3-betting more from the blinds than from the button.
- Yes, do cbet the flop more, but I don't agree that you will have to cbet the turn more.
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Originally Posted by JL
- Yes, do cbet the flop more, but I don't agree that you will have to cbet the turn more.
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- You shouldn't be 3-betting more from the blinds than from the button.
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Why is that? I flat a lot more IP and 3b more OOP. If I 3b more IP I might make money from those 3bs, but I will lose the money I make flatcalling.
For example, when I'm on the BB with 22 and a tag BU raises to 3.5x I'd rather 3b than flat because I'm going to be folding most flops and rarely stacking him when I do hit. However, if the same person opens from CO and I'm on the button I can probably flat and mess around on some flops that hit my perceived range (low flops) since I'm IP.
I can't flat from SB/BB as much so I 3b instead. I do agree I could 3b more in position. I'd have to look at what kind of hands make me money when I flat and what kind of hands lose money.
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given your low cbet percentage (which i don't really mind) you should be double barreling the shit out of the turn
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You have some good fundamentals.
I agree with #2 that you are too lose in the blinds. I wouldn't be stealing quite as much as you from the sb as your just gonna end up bloating the pot oop vs ppl who are gonna be reluctant to fold since its bvb.
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You have some good fundamentals.
I agree with #2 that you are too lose in the blinds. I wouldn't be stealing quite as much as you from the sb as your just gonna end up bloating the pot oop vs ppl who are gonna be reluctant to fold since its bvb.
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I mostly steal from fish and nits and they're not going to give me much trouble. I look for the 3b% and don't ATS with crap if it's over 6%.
What I've been experimenting with is calling really wide IP vs. an SB steal when the ATS of the SB is high. I could in fact 3b more and call less. That's another reason why my 3b from SB is higher than BB since I tend to flat IP a lot more than 3b.
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f ck stats... you play alright, but if you were playing well, you would be winning 10 bb/100 so you are doing something wrong. however you are at 100nl, so this is normal..
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f ck stats... you play alright, but if you were playing well, you would be winning 10 bb/100 so you are doing something wrong. however you are at 100nl, so this is normal..
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lol? sample size much?
not saying I'm playing like a superstar, I can definitely improve, but you're being results-oriented
btw: I'm 5 BIs under EV over this sample
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I´d vote for making the mentioning of AIEV strike worthy
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in addition to what others have said, you are going to showdown too much.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
f ck stats... you play alright, but if you were playing well, you would be winning 10 bb/100 so you are doing something wrong. however you are at 100nl, so this is normal..
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lol? sample size much?
not saying I'm playing like a superstar, I can definitely improve, but you're being results-oriented
btw: I'm 5 BIs under EV over this sample |
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I´d vote for making the mentioning of winrates over 16K hands strike worthy
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FYP
I can see why people cross their winrates out when they post stats now
he ASSUMED I didn't make 10bb/100 based on these stats which is what ellicited this response
but to people who made comments, I thank you
brb raping 100NL
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I´d vote for making the mentioning of winrates over 16K hands strike worthy
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FYP
I can see why people cross their winrates out when they post stats now
he ASSUMED I didn't make 10bb/100 based on these stats which is what ellicited this response
but to people who made comments, I thank you
brb raping 100NL |
these stats suggest you are playing in a way that is too exploitable against a lot of players for your stakes to expect to make 10bb/100.
I would also assume 10bb/100 isn't doable unless you get better, and there's nothing saying that can't be done, so good luck.
you're spewing from the blinds, you don't barrel the turn enough at all, and you don't give 3bets enough credit. tighten up your continuing range against them considerably and you'll probably add a few bb's over 100's.
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I´d vote for making the mentioning of winrates over 16K hands strike worthy
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FYP
I can see why people cross their winrates out when they post stats now
he ASSUMED I didn't make 10bb/100 based on these stats which is what ellicited this response
but to people who made comments, I thank you
brb raping 100NL |
these stats suggest you are playing in a way that is too exploitable against a lot of players for your stakes to expect to make 10bb/100.
I would also assume 10bb/100 isn't doable unless you get better, and there's nothing saying that can't be done, so good luck.
you're spewing from the blinds, you don't barrel the turn enough at all, and you don't give 3bets enough credit. tighten up your continuing range against them considerably and you'll probably add a few bb's over 100's. |
thanks for telling me what I can or can't do
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lol wtf
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you don't barrel the turn enough at all
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How often do you think he should be barreling the turn?
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wow this thread is awesome. So first you post stats in the hope of constructive criticism (that's what most people would take from asking for "comments")....you get some in the form of specific suggestions as well as some people suggesting that the sample size is too small and that you obviously have some leaks from those stats (I agree with that assessment). THEN you post a VASTLY different set of stats from a different sample size running at 10BB/100.
So....wtf were you doing for the last 16k hands?
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So....wtf were you doing for the last 16k hands?
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Running bad? lol
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wow this thread is awesome. So first you post stats in the hope of constructive criticism (that's what most people would take from asking for "comments")....you get some in the form of specific suggestions as well as some people suggesting that the sample size is too small and that you obviously have some leaks from those stats (I agree with that assessment). THEN you post a VASTLY different set of stats from a different sample size running at 10BB/100.
So....wtf were you doing for the last 16k hands?
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I stopped playing full time and got a job
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What the fuck why change how you played you know it all God
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Wow man, that's kinda nuts. I apologize, I was seriously questionning that 2nd screenshot. Well i'd just up the agression a bit and stop calling as much OOP and fold to more 3-bets. Maybe you're calling 3-bets and stuff OOP with small/medium pairs and suited connectors too much?
But postflop is more important than these stats anyway so if you feel you''re playing poorer preflop then you used to play, you're also struggling postflop. Post some hands where you feel lost?
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I looked at my stats and stopped calling 3bs with SCs even IP because I was leaking more money with them than the initial raise itself. But folding or calling with 66-TT doesn't seem to make a difference. I either lose 3-4BB from raising and then folding or I lose 3-4BB from calling and playing passively post-flop.
I don't know if people have more detailed stats on that, but if it's a leak it's not a huge one since I only called like 40 3bs with mid pairs. So if it's a leak it's no more than 40-80 bucks.
Now, on the river I made stupid calls in amounts of like 10-20 bb each and I probably made just as many of those and lost more like 400-800 bucks. I have won exactly 0 times trying to hero call people with like ace high over this sample. I'm obviously not as good of a player as I think I am. Especially when I only play like one hour a day and I'm more worried about going to sleep at an early time to get to work than about how I'm playing.
Of course, it's kind of frustrating that some adjustments I've made in my game didn't work out. But it's not like I want to go back to the way I played, I want to use this experience to play better in the future. Fitting with the theme of the thread, I think I ran well in the second sample I posted 
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you don't barrel the turn enough at all
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How often do you think he should be barreling the turn? |
not any particular % of the time... but 38% seems really low.
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you don't barrel the turn enough at all
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not any particular % of the time... but 38% seems really low. |
according to the HEM spreadsheet the biggest winning bracket for turn cbet is 40.8 to 45.3%
so I agree I can pick it up a bit especially given how strong my cbet range is
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Username- I have spent the last 3.3 hours reviewing your stats and 19 poasts.
i have concluded you are the best players of all time. i look forward to railing you at 500/1k and consider myself blessed to have given you constructive criticism before your assured meteoric rise to high stakes baller. f the haters, you breathe fire.
good luck, (i mean this as a generic salutation, because i know you wont need it)
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I took your advice:
the most important stat is WTSD, when I started going to showdown less I started winning more
more cbetting and barreling increased my W$WSF
thinking about why you would argue that I call too many 3bs, I still didn't find any good spots to fold to a 3b because I open the button to 2.5x and get 3b to something like 8x which means it's really hard for me to fold even a small pair getting good odds
it's almost like I should fold to a 3b with a middle pair when someone is very aggressively 3bing me (or just ship if he's doing it way too much), but actually call against a nit to setmine
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