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mg0698
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10-14-2009, 02:49 AM
Post subject: 100NL standard spot vs shortie
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Villian was 36/9/2 over a small sample and looks like on the passive side so far
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
Hero (BTN): $100.00
SB: $149.80
BB: $46.45
UTG: $173.00
MP: $110.85
CO: $67.50
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 7 7
2 folds, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, BB calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50
Flop: ($14.00) 3 4 5 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $10, BB raises to $41.95 all in, CO folds, Hero ??
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minSim
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I'm either checking the flop or b/c-ing
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Ash256
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It doesn't particularly pleasant, however if you run the ranges through pokerstove you'll see that this is never not a snap call.
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bjsaust
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I'd probably check behind on the flop.
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noble007
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0 way you can fold against shortie now that you've bet.
I also think betting is std. here vs. 2 players. (If you check sometimes vs. 1 opponent you're just giving a free card to what is probably 6 outs but vs. 2 it's obviously closer to 12.)
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BigLRIP
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played perfectly, now call
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bjsaust
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I dunno, I think its close enough I'd like to know what ranges you guys are giving to snapcall this v's a passive player who seems to like calling more than raising.
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noble007
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
I dunno, I think its close enough I'd like to know what ranges you guys are giving to snapcall this v's a passive player who seems to like calling more than raising.
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Really?
We need 32% Equity to make the call.
Even if we assume that he has every made hand that beats us in his range -every set, every two pair, every overpair, every flopped straight and that he always raises the flop with them & never raises anything on the flop that we beat, we still have 27% equity vs. him Even if we just add in 66 and 1 pair & Straight Draw combo (56o) we already have the equity we need.
Board: 3d 4s 5c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.396% 66.05% 01.34% 435501 8866.50 { 88+, 66-33, A2s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, A2o, 76o, 65o, 54o, 43o }
Hand 1: 32.604% 31.26% 01.34% 206106 8866.50 { 77 }
The reality is he doesn't have all those made hands in his PF calling range and he isn't always raising them on the flop either and even the most passive player is raising a wider range than I assigned. Never mind a weak SS with an AF of 2 playing 40% of his hands.
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mg0698
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by noble007
Quote:
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
I dunno, I think its close enough I'd like to know what ranges you guys are giving to snapcall this v's a passive player who seems to like calling more than raising.
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Really?
We need 32% Equity to make the call.
Even if we assume that he has every made hand that beats us in his range -every set, every two pair, every overpair, every flopped straight and that he always raises the flop with them & never raises anything on the flop that we beat, we still have 27% equity vs. him Even if we just add in 66 and 1 pair & Straight Draw combo (56o) we already have the equity we need.
Board: 3d 4s 5c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.396% 66.05% 01.34% 435501 8866.50 { 88+, 66-33, A2s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, A2o, 76o, 65o, 54o, 43o }
Hand 1: 32.604% 31.26% 01.34% 206106 8866.50 { 77 }
The reality is he doesn't have all those made hands in his PF calling range and he isn't always raising them on the flop either and even the most passive player is raising a wider range than I assigned. Never mind a weak SS with an AF of 2 playing 40% of his hands. |
Hey Noble even tho i Hate You  this is very solid advice
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Parasurama
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I'd like to hear why we should be checking behind
We're multiway with initiative and a vulnerable hand that is probably best against a shortstack who we're not folding to.
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BigLRIP
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If this is the first time you've seen him do anything but call down, it's obviously closer but noble's range show's that its at worst a small mistake. I don't use a HUD, so I'm not sure what the aggression frequency stat really means, but I see these shorties doing this with K5o all day, especially if you've been aggro.
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bjsaust
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Yeah, I'm surprised our equity is so good v's that range. Fair enough.
I check behind because I dont expect any worse hands to call, so its hard to say we're value betting, and yet we're not bluffing either.
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noble007
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Originally Posted by mg0698
Hey Noble even tho i Hate You this is very solid advice |
I don't know what your username is on Stars, but yeah if you play 100NL feel free to hate & type abuse in chat etc. I know short-stacking isn't cool.
GL.
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Da GOAT
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given stacks you should of had a plan anyway on flop. if u bet you should of had a plan to b/c.
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Dragon Slayer
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
given stacks you should of had a plan anyway on flop. if u bet you should of had a plan to b/c.
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I think this sums it up.
I was surprised at our equity against that range though
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