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HiLo
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07-12-2010, 10:59 AM
Post subject: 100NL NFD facing 3 bet on flop
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Flush
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Villain is 20/16/4.8 over about 300 hands, 55% button steal. I have been constantly 3betting him preflop over the last little while (he has been folding), however he 4 bet me last orbit.
He has a 70% cbet, but I have never seen him face a raise before.
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($100)
Hero (SB) ($191.11)
BB ($103.60)
UTG ($145.54)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 , A
1 fold, Button bets $3, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($7) K , 6, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero raises $17, Button raises $40
Hero ??
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Carroters
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Just get it in now. Don't raise the flop if you aren't happy to stack off, but honestly I think your line is fine and you can expect him to be folding to the c/r a ton and felting a range of like AK, 2 pairs sets and worse fds vs which we have like 40% equity given he's opened on the Bu and likely has a lot of fd combos himself.
So as played obviously just stick the rest in now to make use of any random FE you might rearely have if he's ever bluffing here - this shouldn't even be a question 100bb deep as played.
c/c the flop is also likely good since you actually have the best hand a lot and can call flop and turn barrels quite easily with your equity and get to showdown and win frequently. He'll also be barelling a load of cards you love him to barrel like aces and diamonds.
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bspahn
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Full House
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definitely don't fold.
the important thing here is to have a plan. similar to 3bet spots if you are raising or reraising a hand you should have a decision already made if you get played back at - in this case checkraising to fold to more action is obv bad so if you're not happy about that then just call. donk leading here is interesting as well if you think villain can easily bluff raise donk bets etc
since you said he has a huge button raising range he can have tons of stuff here including draws you are crushing. people generally just flat a CR here with good top pair hands to re-eval turns, and if he has a set then so be it - hard to hit those.
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Da GOAT
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im not great at calling pre so id 3bet way more than call.
id rather bet flop here than c/r.
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Mr. Diamond
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
and felting a range of like AK, 2 pairs sets and worse fds vs which we have like 40% equity given he's opened on the Bu and likely has a lot of fd combos himself.
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I don't think, that he is 3betting AK, 2 pair or some random FDs. I think he can have sets, monster draws and FD+King and vs this range we have about 37%, so it's close
- omg HiLo your avatar tilts me so much
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griffey24
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It's one thing to say have a plan when you bet and someone else raises, cause thats generally unexpected. But you realllly need a plan if you're raising and how you will respond to a call/raise.
As played, I'm shipping. Someone with his stats probably has enough "non-believer" in him, to re-bluff 3bet you on a K rag rag board.
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mcatdog
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Why did you raise to 17 dollars? It's probably a fold now that you raised that much and he still 3-bet you.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
Why did you raise to 17 dollars? It's probably a fold now that you raised that much and he still 3-bet you.
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This, but as played I'm shipping. Too much equity to fold.
70% c-bet is low enough that I would think about leading flops against him. Issues with ranges aside, this is the sort of spot where I'd rather be getting in the first and third bet than the second and fourth bet.
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HiLo
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Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
70% c-bet is low enough that I would think about leading flops against him. Issues with ranges aside, this is the sort of spot where I'd rather be getting in the first and third bet than the second and fourth bet.
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Because lead/3bet gives us more fold equity than check-raise? Or because there are less bluffs to fold out than say a 90% c-bettor?
Also, once you lead what is the plan if he calls and we miss? Barrel any turn, and a lot of rivers?
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HiLo
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Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Diamond
I don't think, that he is 3betting AK, 2 pair or some random FDs. I think he can have sets, monster draws and FD+King and vs this range we have about 37%, so it's close
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I actually thought he would 3b AK / 2pr here because I have been pushing him around quite a lot preflop and there is a good chance he is taking a stand more than he usually would. not so sure about all the weak FDs though. I figured my equity is around 35%.
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Mr. Diamond
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HiLo
I actually thought he would 3b AK / 2pr here because I have been pushing him around quite a lot preflop and there is a good chance he is taking a stand more than he usually would. not so sure about all the weak FDs though. I figured my equity is around 35%.
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I think sizing is very important here
- something like AK, 64, etc. are probably not good vs your stacking range
- and if you c/r to 17 you probably have something from this range
- so I would probably just call with these hands vs your c/r
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Fnord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HiLo
Because lead/3bet gives us more fold equity than check-raise? Or because there are less bluffs to fold out than say a 90% c-bettor?
Also, once you lead what is the plan if he calls and we miss? Barrel any turn, and a lot of rivers?
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Because he might raise you with weak hands, but on a draw heavy board a 3-bet range probably has mostly hands he's going to felt.
Your check/raise probably shows a profit, but if you continue past that it's not going to be pretty unless he flats and you gin the turn.
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