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d0zer
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06-05-2010, 09:11 PM
Post subject: 100NL: KK deeper than your mom?
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Villain is like 33/23 13% 3b over like 500 hands
He calls more 3bets, more PFR's, and raises more flops than your average reg but i've never seen him do anything crazy deep and we have no history. I have no real reason to believe that he'd think I'd fold what I'm repping on the turn.
$0.50/$1 Ante $0.20 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG Arnold112 ($85.50)
UTG+1 wislop ($109.90)
CO NoMorePlease ($313.75)
BTN Diego12300 ($110.45)
SB Hero ($472.60)
BB kitkekoute ($343.50)
Pre-Flop: ($2.70, 6 players) Hero is SB  
Arnold112 raises to $3, wislop calls $3, NoMorePlease calls $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $16, kitkekoute calls $15, Arnold112 folds, wislop folds, NoMorePlease calls $13
Flop:    ($55.20, 3 players)
Hero bets $42, kitkekoute calls $42, NoMorePlease folds
Turn:  ($139.20, 2 players)
Hero bets $73, kitkekoute raises to $165, $92 to Hero ($341.6)?
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Carroters
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Vs this guy you have the best hand here so so much imo. I've seen him do some pretty spazzy stuff.
That aside, I don't see him ever not raising a set on this flop. His range is like QJs, good/nut flushes, a good amount of semi bluffs and maybe even something like AQ. I'd still call even without my knowledge of this guy.
Edit: oops we're pretty damn deep, lol title fail k he doesn't have AQ without As obv. I prolly still call and call blank rivers.
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griffey24
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Alright well if this guy is that spazzy, then that read is important and its an easy stack off.
Though in general vs a cold call, I'd say this board (monotone, no longer beating QQ or JJ) is pretty awful.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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pocketfours
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Easy stack off???
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meeloche
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketfours
Easy stack off???
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yeah this, I'm really confused.
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Toadstool
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Easy Easy fold, surely? What on earth do you hope to see here? What semi bluffs does he have when he cold calls from the BB?
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Halv
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I don't how you guys think it's an easy stack-off, slightly ahead/way behind oop in a spot where he needs to really spazz out for us to be ahead (and we're oop with lots of dollars left for the riv to boot). Even with the spazzy read, is he really cold calling that wide and floating the flop with another deep stack behind?
Also want to note that utg pfr is just 85bb deep so sb's probably committed to calling a jam from him if it comes and the field folds, so he probably has less random hands preflop than you'd normally expect.
Is c/f this turn (betting non spade rivs if checked through) just too weak?
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griffey24
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My comment was in response to carroters who said this guy is a huge spewtard and shows up with worse here often, which is important.
please see what i said immediately after:
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Originally Posted by griffey24
Though in general vs a cold call, I'd say this board (monotone, no longer beating QQ or JJ) is pretty awful.
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pretty awful ie: foldoramaaa
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Halv
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I was talking about p4s and meeloche who I thought were saying "easy stack off ldo" and not "WHAT, griff thinks this is an easy stack off???". Reading back over it I'm pretty sure it's the latter, my bad.
Still wondering about the value of the turn bet, is it worth it to protect our hand against something like TsT (and not get bluffed off our hand if he somehow has a pure float which I think is going to be very rare even for a spazzer)?
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d0zer
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I'm more interested in what you guys think with my read. With a read he's super spazzy it changes a lot
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Toadstool
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Even with your read, it's an easy fold to me, especially when you say " I have no real reason to believe that he'd think I'd fold what I'm repping on the turn." In his mind, you have nearly the bottom of your value range too, which is probably AQ+
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pocketfours
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HalvSame
Still wondering about the value of the turn bet, is it worth it to protect our hand against something like TsT (and not get bluffed off our hand if he somehow has a pure float which I think is going to be very rare even for a spazzer)?
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I'd probably just b/f 1/3 down on this board. As played c/f seems like a pretty good turn option.
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IowaSkinsFan
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I like checking the flop better and then folding/calling/raising depending on what happens.
Playing a huge pot here is just going to be a disaster. As played I'd fold.
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oskar
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lack of AsKx combos compared to everything else makes this a really easy fold imo.
Don't count on people raising mono boards with sets for protection; I think he would have raised his air on the flop. There is a very small number of 100NL regs who will ever turn something they thought had showdown value on the flop into a bluff on the turn.
I don't know villain, but even against the spazziest regs that I know I would fold the turn and not feel too bad about it.
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cleanup.that
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This deep on a flop like this, I'm automatically thinking that a good villain can put me in a very tough spot somewhere along in the hand.
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You wanna die? Run on up on that black Seven forty-five.
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Fnord
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Why did you bet so big on the flop?
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nutsinho
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what is going on lol id check/snap fold to anything on the turn
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d0zer
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Holy lack of consensus batman. I obviously should have explained my reasoning better so you guys could tear into it.
Basically I think this guy's range for calling pre is fairly wide, and on the flop I'm trying to build a pot against KQ, AQ, and decent FDs. On the turn same thing, I'm just trying to get manies in because I'm planning on shoving blank rivers as I rly think this guy could put me on a busted AsKx FD and hero call with a Q, and there's more combos of Qs than FDs so shove river instead of check to induce.
Against the vast majority of regs I wouldn't be so eager to build a big pot, but this guy seemed far looser both pre and post so I was just going for value under the assumption that he wouldn't raise worse hands with SD value. I folded the turn FWIW...
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