100NL KK deep vs reg ROUND 2

**d0zer** · 04-20-2010 07:58 PM

$0.50/$1 Ante $0.20 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Dr.Duckets ($280.10)
UTG+1 champoftiro ($262.65)
CO tdomeski ($242.50)
BTN Hero ($250)
SB j-dubb11 ($76.85)
BB redargoe ($417.55)

Pre-Flop: ($2.70, 6 players) Hero is BTN

Dr.Duckets raises to $3, champoftiro raises to $11, 1 fold, Hero calls $11, 2 folds, Dr.Duckets folds

Flop:

($27.70, 2 players)
champoftiro bets $14, Hero calls $14

Turn:

($55.70, 2 players)
champoftiro checks, Hero bets $34, champoftiro raises to $107, $73 to Hero ($191)?

UTG is a nit, villain is a 26/18 reg with a 5% 3bet over like 200 hands and I haven't really tangled with him postflop yet.

Again I flat pre cuz I don't think he's continuing to a cold 4b without like...KK/AA. I have no good postflop reads (yes oskar, I'm aware they would help), other than an AF of 3.5.

I guess I'd expect most regs to fire turn with AA, but c/r'ing it is not out of the question. I can't see JJ/QQ playing like this so I figure it's AA or AK NFD so...fold?

**Vi-Zer0Skill** · 04-20-2010 08:09 PM

call turn + call any river i think is the best line. i agree he prob doesn't have a worse PP, but looking at the raise size i don't think he has a full house. his range is AA/9x/draws, and you can discount AA

**meeloche** · 04-20-2010 08:36 PM

4 bet pre!

**griffey24** · 04-20-2010 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by d0zer

Again I flat pre cuz I don't think he's continuing to a cold 4b without like...KK/AA.

sooo.. this is where you tell me that you're 4bet bluffing like madness.. because of this right?

Or are you just not 4betting KK because he doesnt' continue with worse AND not even 4bet bluffing?

4bet pre!

As played, I'm not folding this hand at any point.

**pocketfours** · 04-20-2010 11:51 PM

Pre is fine. I usually wouldn't make any plan that included folding my hand.

**meeloche** · 04-21-2010 12:32 AM

I like 4 betting preflop because I have played with villain before and I think you make the most money that way.

**texa8** · 04-21-2010 01:56 AM

id just call turn then call river

**FlyingSaucy** · 04-21-2010 12:25 PM

I think JJ+ could cr that turn. Seems like a call to me, or raise if you think he thinks you're loose. If you call and he checks the river again youre probably in good shape to make a small v bet.

**sweetlemon69** · 04-21-2010 05:01 PM

does duckets have any awareness at all of position? Just curious because if he's a nit, and the reg knows this as well (guess we can't assume that), wouldn't regs 3bet range pre be pretty toight? Is he 3bett'n QQ/JJ/- here? KK/AA for probably 100% of the time.

04-20-2010 07:58 PM #1
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,214	100NL KK deep vs reg ROUND 2 $0.50/$1 Ante $0.20 No Limit Holdem 6 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG Dr.Duckets ($280.10) UTG+1 champoftiro ($262.65) CO tdomeski ($242.50) BTN Hero ($250) SB j-dubb11 ($76.85) BB redargoe ($417.55) Pre-Flop: ($2.70, 6 players) Hero is BTN Dr.Duckets raises to $3, champoftiro raises to $11, 1 fold, Hero calls $11, 2 folds, Dr.Duckets folds Flop: ($27.70, 2 players) champoftiro bets $14, Hero calls $14 Turn: ($55.70, 2 players) champoftiro checks, Hero bets $34, champoftiro raises to $107, $73 to Hero ($191)? UTG is a nit, villain is a 26/18 reg with a 5% 3bet over like 200 hands and I haven't really tangled with him postflop yet. Again I flat pre cuz I don't think he's continuing to a cold 4b without like...KK/AA. I have no good postflop reads (yes oskar, I'm aware they would help), other than an AF of 3.5. I guess I'd expect most regs to fire turn with AA, but c/r'ing it is not out of the question. I can't see JJ/QQ playing like this so I figure it's AA or AK NFD so...fold?

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04-20-2010 08:09 PM #2
Vi-Zer0Skill View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Reagan's Kid Join Date Nov 2006 Posts 1,994	call turn + call any river i think is the best line. i agree he prob doesn't have a worse PP, but looking at the raise size i don't think he has a full house. his range is AA/9x/draws, and you can discount AA

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04-20-2010 08:36 PM #3
meeloche View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2007 Posts 3,057	4 bet pre!

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04-20-2010 10:12 PM #4
griffey24 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2006 Posts 4,931 Location Toronto'ish	Originally Posted by d0zer Again I flat pre cuz I don't think he's continuing to a cold 4b without like...KK/AA. sooo.. this is where you tell me that you're 4bet bluffing like madness.. because of this right? Or are you just not 4betting KK because he doesnt' continue with worse AND not even 4bet bluffing? 4bet pre! As played, I'm not folding this hand at any point.
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04-20-2010 11:51 PM #5
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,570 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Pre is fine. I usually wouldn't make any plan that included folding my hand.

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04-21-2010 12:32 AM #6
meeloche View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2007 Posts 3,057	I like 4 betting preflop because I have played with villain before and I think you make the most money that way.

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04-21-2010 01:56 AM #7
texa8 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2008 Posts 208 Location Melbourne Australia	id just call turn then call river

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04-21-2010 12:25 PM #8
FlyingSaucy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2004 Posts 1,649 Location Watching the kids	I think JJ+ could cr that turn. Seems like a call to me, or raise if you think he thinks you're loose. If you call and he checks the river again youre probably in good shape to make a small v bet.

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04-21-2010 05:01 PM #9
sweetlemon69 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2007 Posts 372 Location Toronto	does duckets have any awareness at all of position? Just curious because if he's a nit, and the reg knows this as well (guess we can't assume that), wouldn't regs 3bet range pre be pretty toight? Is he 3bett'n QQ/JJ/- here? KK/AA for probably 100% of the time.

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