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d0zer
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04-18-2010, 11:28 PM
Post subject: 100NL: KK deep vs reg
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Don't rly know much about this reg, he's like 22/16 6% 3b over 300ish.
$0.50/$1 Ante $0.20 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG scuty06 ($252.10)
UTG+1 jahboo5877 ($102.35)
CO Scare.nl ($234.30)
BTN Hero ($250)
SB DeanoSupremo ($235.05)
BB by08 ($100)
Pre-Flop: ($2.70, 6 players) Hero is BTN  
1 fold, jahboo5877 raises to $3, Scare.nl calls $3, Hero raises to $15, DeanoSupremo raises to $36.15, 1 fold, jahboo5877 folds, Scare.nl folds, Hero calls $21.15
Flop:    ($80.50, 2 players)
DeanoSupremo bets $35.40, Hero calls $35.40
Turn:  ($151.30, 2 players)
DeanoSupremo checks, Hero checks
River:  ($151.30, 2 players)
DeanoSupremo goes all-in $163.30, $163.3 to Hero ($178.45)?
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Juked07
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Why flat pre?
Post he's repping so little I want to call.. It looks like he has AQ or air. Does AA ever check that turn in a 4bet pot?
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shakesss
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How does he view u? Do u or were u 3bing a lot this session.
I think its really player dependent. I feel like calling coz hes repping so little and this deep he might be turning JJ into a bluff(putting u on KK+) or be bluff shoving AK(putting u on JJ+?). QQ is super unlikely and its a crazy way for AA to play it( he would have to put u dead on KK and hope u bluffcatch.. like some crazy 4th level range merge). You could have some Q's in your range but not many. I dont think hes 4betting AQs here. He might as a cold 4 bet for value if he thinks u could be light, but thats only if he thinks u 3b/sq a lot.
Super confusing. I think id call.
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oskar
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Pre he could just think you're squeezing light and spew with ATC - this is about 500% more likely because there are antes. They radiate magical FPS inducing waves.
You should know the villain better. I can count on the fingers of one hand the regs that would make a bluff like that. Yes, he makes you fold your entire range, no you can't really call  . He could have Qx, 33, 66, 44, AA - that's a really good river for AA - you can't really have Qx.
So I fold the river. I might call if he bets 120.
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meeloche
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5 b/c and be really happy about it. I really dislike flatting this pre vs him.
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oskar
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orly?
I think it's really easy for him to get away from QQ, AK against a 5b there. Nobody ever 5-bets worse unless there's some serious spewing going on. And I wouldn't want to be 5-betting KK+ and be flatting/folding everything else. What else would you 5b there?
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meeloche
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I've played a lot with him @ 2/4 and 3/6 and I'd certainly be getting this in preflop vs him. Whether or not he plays much different at 100nl I'm not sure but how do you expect to stack AK by flatting pre. You lose on A high boards and you have 2 of the cards that he stacks himself on. I don't expect him to fold AK or QQ unless op is playing real snug.
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meeloche
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Plus he is definitely capable of re bluffing you when you 5 bet.
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d0zer
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Well if I had THAT read I'd happily stack off pre.
I was going under the assumption that he was a std 100NL weak/tight reg that would never stack off this deep without KK+
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griffey24
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Yah I agree with meeloche, I've also played with Deano at 2/4 and 3/6.
I'd imagine if he's playing lower he might even be more likely to spew.
I'd also assume that a decent reg would be squeezing even wider here given how deep the stacks are.
That being said, he's taken this bet, check, shove line a lot vs me in 3bet pots and I've folded the river too often to know what is really going on with it. It seems like a pretty bad spot to bluff though...but I also can't imagine that many Qx in his cold 4bet range, other than AQ.
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nutsinho
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a std .5/1 reg? you really need to immerse yourself better in the game of online poker if you want to have success. a year or so ago deano was a tough 25/50 reg then he spent like 1m on a house, had to grind lower, and lost some of his mojo
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nutsinho
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afa the hand goes it really looks like aces
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sweetlemon69
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a std .5/1 reg? you really need to immerse yourself better in the game of online poker if you want to have success. a year or so ago deano was a tough 25/50 reg then he spent like 1m on a house, had to grind lower, and lost some of his mojo
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cool story bro. I'm definitely going to immerse myself better to study every high stakes player, inCASE they drop down and play 100nl.
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meeloche
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
cool story bro. I'm definitely going to immerse myself better to study every high stakes player, inCASE they drop down and play 100nl.
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Fail
Not really worth expanding on more than that.
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sweetlemon69
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Originally Posted by meeloche
Fail
Not really worth expanding on more than that.
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Good thing you derailed this thread by talking about something that doesn't help d0zer at all. wtf is up with this site.
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d0zer
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[11:30:50] <+someoneSmart> yeah more than half the posts in that thread are brags that they have better reads on deanosupremo than you have
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meeloche
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
Good thing you derailed this thread by talking about something that doesn't help d0zer at all. wtf is up with this site.
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lol did you miss the two posts I made above giving him advice?
You're the one trolling this thread not me.
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by d0zer
[11:30:50] <+someoneSmart> yeah more than half the posts in that thread are brags that they have better reads on deanosupremo than you have
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Poker is player specific. Labeling people as generic .5/1 regular will never make you a big winner in any game you play. I gave you good advice to play against this player in the future based on my experience with him, since I assume you will run into him again.
My time is too valuable to spend giving advice on small stakes hands if this is the biggest thing you are getting out of this thread.
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Alexos
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dont mind how u played it, now prob fold
also lol at this thread, and wtf is this :
you went from "no reads" to:
"I was going under the assumption that he was a std 100NL weak/tight reg that would never stack off this deep without KK+"
pretty fail if thats your general assumption about regs
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d0zer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meeloche
Poker is player specific. Labeling people as generic .5/1 regular will never make you a big winner in any game you play. I gave you good advice to play against this player in the future based on my experience with him, since I assume you will run into him again.
My time is too valuable to spend giving advice on small stakes hands if this is the biggest thing you are getting out of this thread.
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No offense intended sir, I just thought it was a funny comment. Sorry it seemed directed at you -- it wasn't really. Your advice is always appreciated.
I cringe everytime I post a hand with no reads except stats, but with the player pool as big as it is at .5/1 I find myself in those spots a fair bit.
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Originally Posted by Alexos
"I was going under the assumption that he was a std 100NL weak/tight reg that would never stack off this deep without KK+"
pretty fail if thats your general assumption about regs
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Well I'm really not sure how 100NL regs are playing pre on these deep tables. In my limited experience playing 250 deep, regs seem far more prone to calling 3bets with TT-QQ/AK instead of 4betting them like they often would 100 deep, and 4bet bluffing doesn't seem too prevalent either.
Sure there are some regs that I have history with, or have seen stack off lighter, but they seem to be more the exception than the rule.
I'm usually the cynic when it comes to "stake-based reads", but that's what I've noticed -- and it fits the stereotype of 100NL being noticeably more passive than midstakes. Correct me if I'm wrong -- ideally with something more specific than "fail".
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IowaSkinsFan
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At first I felt like either 5 betting pre, raising the flop, or betting the turn was better but with this stack size i think preflop, flop and turn are good because they dont represent good bluffing opportunities.
I'd fold here. I bet its AA or some Queen he was restealing with pre. When someone 4 bets in this spot I wouldn't put them on a super wide range obv.
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Ravageur
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I like pre, don't really think this guy is gonna stack off with JJ/KK/AK pre here all that much compared to the times you can get some action postflop from his air and potentially not get stacked by his AA.
Postflop is gross. I kind of like raising flop, because i'm not sure we're gonna get a double/tripple barrel out of him but if we raise we're not gonna induce some bluff so i'd probably just shove over his bet but then that's kind of big and we're not getting called by worse too often.
So, I guess i'd call flop, evaluate turn (probably fold to another bet) and fold this river.
Voila, my thought process for better or worse.
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