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mg0698
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08-19-2009, 11:45 PM
Post subject: 100NL KJ river decision
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3-of-a-Kind
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Posts: 80
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Villian was unknown but has been tight for 3 orbits
I think his bet sizing somewhat serves as a tell.
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
MP: $254.35
CO: $104.90
Hero (BTN): $100.00
SB: $251.50
BB: $59.00
UTG: $100.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with K J
2 folds, CO raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($8.50) 5 K T (2 players)
CO bets $5, Hero calls $5
Turn: ($18.50) J (2 players)
CO bets $15, Hero calls $15
River: ($48.50) 3 (2 players)
CO bets $45, Hero ??
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BigLRIP
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If you think he'll play AA/AK/KQ this way, you should call, but I think that is being a bit optimistic. Like you mentioned, I doubt he pots his 1 pair hands on the river, so he's polarized to sets, straights and bluffs. I doubt I could find a fold while playing, but I think it is correct. I fold or 3bet pre-flop as well.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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against the most pessimistic range I can think of
Board: Kd Th 5s Js 3c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.818% 27.27% 04.55% 12 2.00 { KsJh }
Hand 1: 68.182% 63.64% 04.55% 28 2.00 { KK, JJ-TT, 55, AQs, KJs-KTs, Q9s, JTs, AQo, KJo-KTo, JTo }
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griffey24
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I'm likely never folding this vs an unknown. As spenda pointed out, it's a pretty close situation. If I think I'm in a close situation, I generally lean towards calling early on to get reads on villain... though I have stationy tendencies.
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nebulous66
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I'd folded pre flop, I'd raised after the flop, now I call
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Marshall28
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Full House
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Clear 3bet preflop.
Clear raise on turn.
Clear call on river.
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Luke999
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Straight
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I hate 3 betting this IP preflop.
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bode
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Straight Flush
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i agree with spenda/griff that its really close and probably call.
marshall 3betting KJo here seems really bad. why wouldn't we want to play a pot IP with a mediocre hand like this? 3betting wins us 5bb usually, but we are shutting out the vast majority of his range if we 3bet. i feel like playing a pot in position will have a greater expectation, especially vs an unknown.
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uscheese
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am I misunderstanding the definition of 3 bet? I thought 3 bet meant if you reraised the raise to $3.50 being the 3rd person to bet.
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bode
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by uscheese
am I misunderstanding the definition of 3 bet? I thought 3 bet meant if you reraised the raise to $3.50 being the 3rd person to bet.
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yes, if hero would have raised pre it would be a 3bet
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noble007
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I'd call the river.
I'm interested that the turn is a clear raise though marshall?
If you raise the turn do you call a river shove on a spade/A/9 river vs. an unknown?
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