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pokerfan
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02-25-2010, 11:48 PM
Post subject: 100NL, JJ vs nit facing all-in on turn in 3 bet pot
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villian is 17/14/1.4 with 36% fold to 3 bet and 25% ATS% over 950 hands. I checked on this flush turn cuz he wouldnt call with worse in his range given his nitty stats. Should we c/f,b/f or c/c ?
$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
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6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG the clêaner ($111.30)
UTG+1 glissdaddy ($195)
CO IHATEUANDU ($104.70)
BTN cs_sitz ($173.10)
SB Tanner2007 ($70.80)
BB Hero ($111.40)
Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BB  
2 folds, IHATEUANDU raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, IHATEUANDU calls $9
Flop:    ($24.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $17, IHATEUANDU calls $17
Turn:  ($58.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, IHATEUANDU bets $75.70, Hero ?
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griffey24
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Why are you 3betting JJ in the first place vs a nit, if you're so unsure of your hand in a 3bet pot on the turn?
I would just bet this turn myself, if I played the hand this way. As played, I can't imagine folding.
I'd probably flat this a lot pre vs nits though.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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pocketfours
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EZ fold vs nit imo.
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pokerfan
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Originally Posted by griffey24
Why are you 3betting JJ in the first place vs a nit, if you're so unsure of your hand in a 3bet pot on the turn?
I would just bet this turn myself, if I played the hand this way. As played, I can't imagine folding.
I'd probably flat this a lot pre vs nits though.
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Is 17/14 truly a nit in any 6-max games? So we flat OOP and play a guessing game vs nit CO/BT open all the time? I forgot to mention that his fold to 3 bet% is only 36% though. BTW, these 6-max stats are from 500K hand histories i bought last month.
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griffey24
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Whats his 4bet stat?
If he has a high 4bet stat then we're pretty much only worried about a flush here. A tight player might not even have that many SC's here necessarily. Some percentage he might raise flop and another percentage he might not jam turn.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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pokerfan
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Originally Posted by griffey24
Whats his 4bet stat?
If he has a high 4bet stat then we're pretty much only worried about a flush here. A tight player might not even have that many SC's here necessarily. Some percentage he might raise flop and another percentage he might not jam turn.
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Oh, boy. I just found out about his 4 bet% which is impressive 0%(0/11). So this is a clear c/f,right?
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
Oh, boy. I just found out about his 4 bet% which is impressive 0%(0/11). So this is a clear c/f,right?
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It already was imo
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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griffey24
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Yah I would c/f if he never 4bets.
Though I would also still flat this pre, since you seem torn on your reasoning. You 3bet him because you say he calls 36% of 3bets and his range is wide. But you don't think his range is wide enough to double barrel on a board where you have an overpair and a club.
Would you be scared on a 5d turn?
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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shakesss
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I like b/c better than c/f. Even though he is a nit he has to think that this is a good spot to jam as a bluff or for value coz ur hand is pretty face up.
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pokerfan
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Originally Posted by shakesss
I like b/f better than c/f. Even though he is a nit he has to think that this is a good spot to jam as a bluff or for value coz ur hand is pretty face up.
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i cant imagine that we B/F after putting 2/3 stack in the pot. B/C or c/f IMO.
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shakesss
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerfan
i cant imagine that we B/F after putting 2/3 stack in the pot. B/C or c/f IMO.
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Sorry about that. Typo.
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mixchange
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im pretty sure everyone knows to fold just from the thread title. but I agree, don't 3b here!
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