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mg0698
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07-18-2009, 07:08 PM
Post subject: 100NL How to deal with AQ???
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How do u guys deal with AQ in steal positions when ur 3b???
Villian in this hand is 25/13/1 small sample 5% 3b from SB
what if Villian is 22/17/2 with a 6% 3b from the SB???
Any advice is appreciated .
SB: $175.70
BB: $105.30
UTG: $100.00
CO: $37.40
Hero (BTN): $101.35
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with Q A
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $11,Hero ???
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If you're comfortable with your post-flop play, then call and play a flop IP with him in either case.
I guess the other option is to 4bet $24ish and either call or fold to a shove which really sucks with AQ. Call and play a flop, a lot of decent preflop players spaz out in 3b pots.
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I really can't see anything but calling to be good here except against the most specific of oppenents.
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do u guys call and plan to bluff shove a lot of flops??
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
I really can't see anything but calling to be good here except against the most specific of oppenents.
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4b/call is standard against people with 10%+ 3b over a large sample
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Originally Posted by mg0698
do u guys call and plan to bluff shove a lot of flops??
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thats a good plan if the guy 3bets a lot, and cbets a lot of flops.. 6% doesnt seem like that much
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Originally Posted by mg0698
do u guys call and plan to bluff shove a lot of flops??
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thats a good plan if the guy 3bets a lot, and cbets a lot of flops.. 6% doesnt seem like that much |
it depends if he polarizes his range (QQ+,AK and trash) or if he 3bs to protect his pf equity (AQ+, KQ, 99+) because he thinks you're going to call IP looser
anyway, his range should be strong on Axx and Kxx flops (we hit on Axx but not the nuts)
our range shoud be strong on Q/J/T flops since we call with hands like JTs, AQ, KQ, AJ, 98s (hits JTx or T7x)
we could probably float low flops even though his range on those is stronger we probably have 88-TT in our calling range
we could also raise the flop small with our value range and bluffs
usually people just jam over minraises on the flop so when we have a total bluff it costs us only 30BB to bluff, when we have a hand we get people to shove with air into us or their own value range
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5-6% just isnt that huge. Its not tight, but its not like he's always bluffing here. Folding isn't terrible imo. AQs gives us more options.
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
5-6% just isnt that huge. Its not tight, but its not like he's always bluffing here. Folding isn't terrible imo. AQs gives us more options.
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I 3b 6% and I feel like I'm being really aggressive
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fold!? no fucking way.
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I probably woudnt fold, but generally if you flat here you'll end up playing fit or fold postflop which isnt great in 3bet pots.
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I probably woudnt fold, but generally if you flat here you'll end up playing fit or fold postflop which isnt great in 3bet pots.
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you mean fit or float
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I probably woudnt fold, but generally if you flat here you'll end up playing fit or fold postflop which isnt great in 3bet pots.
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you mean fit or float |
i like this, i need to float more when i call a 3bet with a hand at the top of my range. however in this particular spot a float seems worse than folding since this opponent isn't aggressive or 3bet light, and since a turn check from him won't help you figure out whether he is going to call two more streets or fold if you stab.
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There are two very different ranges that are in the 5-6% category. One is very polar and one is like 88+, AJs, AKo. Whether to call or 4bet depends on which we face. But typically 6% or so is very tight and I usually fold. Very player dependent still
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so how big of a 3b % do u guys consider enough to call or 4b
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I don't get the 6% = tight 3bettor
6% is standard for a tag, and usually polarized
it's a standard call like no matter what range we face because we're IP
my 3b is like 10% vs. tags and 3% vs. fish/unknowns so it ends up being 6% over a large sample
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5-6% just isnt that huge. Its not tight, but its not like he's always bluffing here. Folding isn't terrible imo. AQs gives us more options.
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I 3b 6% and I feel like I'm being really aggressive |
3b from SB, not overall.
OP didn't say if it's 3b vs steal or 3b from SB in general.
I would just call and play some poker. 4b/call seems pretty bad even against 10% because most players will just give up on Ax and shove some pp's, total bluffs and AK, so you're never in great shape with AQo.
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I probably woudnt fold, but generally if you flat here you'll end up playing fit or fold postflop which isnt great in 3bet pots.
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you mean fit or float |
i like this, i need to float more when i call a 3bet with a hand at the top of my range. however in this particular spot a float seems worse than folding since this opponent isn't aggressive or 3bet light, and since a turn check from him won't help you figure out whether he is going to call two more streets or fold if you stab. |
You have no idea if a float is bad because we haven't seen a flop
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Originally Posted by jyms
There are two very different ranges that are in the 5-6% category. One is very polar and one is like 88+, AJs, AKo. Whether to call or 4bet depends on which we face. But typically 6% or so is very tight and I usually fold. Very player dependent still
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This is a very good observation on 3bet category!! I never thought of it like that.
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5-6% just isnt that huge. Its not tight, but its not like he's always bluffing here. Folding isn't terrible imo. AQs gives us more options.
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I 3b 6% and I feel like I'm being really aggressive |
3b from SB, not overall.
OP didn't say if it's 3b vs steal or 3b from SB in general.
I would just call and play some poker. 4b/call seems pretty bad even against 10% because most players will just give up on Ax and shove some pp's, total bluffs and AK, so you're never in great shape with AQo. |
so actually people 3b higher from SB vs. BU than their overall 3b
if you look at the HEM "Dealing with a preflop Three Bet" article BU vs. SB the 3b percentage for people who 3b between 4% and 10% is 1.35 higher than their overall
which means someone with an overall 6% 3b is 3bing 8% from the SB against the button
this is because the button has a wide range and overall 3b numbers include 3bing UTG and MP which is much lower % even in position
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calling 3bets IP (in position) with hands like AQ works pretty well, basically you're looking for a flop that has either a Q or an A in it that's not too connected. Q84 is good, A94 is good, QJT is not so good and neither is AJT or AKJ etc just because you can be crushed more often on those. if you call with AQ and flop comes 9TJ that's pretty easy to get it in as well. obv the best is stuff like QQ5, TJK, AQ5 stuff like this...
if they are 3betting 5 or 6% and you call with AQ and flop comes 984 and they bet it's fine for you to just fold.
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If you want to call you shouldn't fold a lot on the flop imo.
I consider an overall 3bet of 5-6% decently balanced, not very tight or loose.
But I always check the positional ones. Normally 3bets should be higher from the btn, and not blinds, but lots of people seem to turn that around.
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call, so many options on flop though but take forever to list. better to show a flop
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whats all of the discusssion? both of OP's questions are standard calls against everyone but the biggest nits and spazziest 3bettors.
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I probably woudnt fold, but generally if you flat here you'll end up playing fit or fold postflop which isnt great in 3bet pots.
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you mean fit or JAMMM |
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oh spewfest... it's good for the red line though!
edit: I'd only do this vs people with very high 3bets (>9ish) and who cbet a ton on flops. It's also nice to get people off of AK sometimes. If you're called and show an AQ shove it also adds a world of leveling for every subsequent hand where you can start just flatting KK/AA and jamming flops etc. You also often have some equity when called.
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u can prob lock this thread tho, itll get like 40 responses since its easy to advise.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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thanx for all the replies guys, know this is a broad subject
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