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05-14-2007, 02:17 AM
Post subject: 100NL hand checkup
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i just started playing 100NL "full-time", the villain appears to be a "regular".
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POKERSTARS GAME #9898851769: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/05/13 - 21:15:42 (ET)
Table 'Helina' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Ekos ($108.85 in chips)
Seat 2: McTowelie420 ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: lessharm ($172 in chips)
Seat 4: hypermegachi ($203.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Kingsfield ($104.70 in chips)
Seat 6: lexpat ($102.55 in chips)
Kingsfield: posts small blind $0.50
lexpat: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hypermegachi [Kc Kd]
Ekos: folds
McTowelie420: folds
lessharm: raises $3 to $4
hypermegachi: raises $6 to $10
Kingsfield: raises $94.70 to $104.70 and is all-in
lexpat: folds
lessharm: folds
lessharm said, "nice 3bet hahaha"
hypermegachi said, "well, only 1 hand"
hypermegachi: calls $94.70
*** FLOP *** [Qd 5c Th]
*** TURN *** [Qd 5c Th] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 5c Th Ks] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kingsfield: shows [As Ah] (a pair of Aces)
hypermegachi: shows [Kc Kd] (three of a kind, Kings)
hypermegachi collected $211.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $214.40 | Rake $3
Board [Qd 5c Th Ks 9h]
Seat 1: Ekos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: McTowelie420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: lessharm folded before Flop
Seat 4: hypermegachi (button) showed [Kc Kd] and won ($211.40) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 5: Kingsfield (small blind) showed [As Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: lexpat (big blind) folded before Flop
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after 2 or 3 hands...
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POKERSTARS GAME #9898913361: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/05/13 - 21:19:43 (ET)
Table 'Helina' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Ekos ($109.85 in chips)
Seat 2: McTowelie420 ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 3: lessharm ($149 in chips)
Seat 4: hypermegachi ($311.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Kingsfield ($106.55 in chips)
Seat 6: lexpat ($110.90 in chips)
lexpat: posts small blind $0.50
Ekos: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hypermegachi [Ah Ac]
McTowelie420: folds
lessharm: folds
hypermegachi: raises $2.50 to $3.50
Kingsfield: calls $3.50
lexpat: folds
Ekos: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d 6d 2h]
hypermegachi: bets $6.50
Kingsfield: calls $6.50
*** TURN *** [7d 6d 2h] [Ad]
hypermegachi: bets $12.25
Kingsfield: raises $32.75 to $45
hypermegachi: calls $32.75
*** RIVER *** [7d 6d 2h Ad] [Kh]
hypermegachi: checks
Kingsfield: bets $51.55 and is all-in
hypermegachi said, "oy..."
hypermegachi said, "if you have a flush, here's your money back"
hypermegachi: calls $51.55
lexpat said, "flush!!!!"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kingsfield: shows [6s 6h] (three of a kind, Sixes)
hypermegachi: shows [Ah Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
hypermegachi collected $211.60 from pot
lexpat said, "ouch"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $214.60 | Rake $3
Board [7d 6d 2h Ad Kh]
Seat 1: Ekos (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: McTowelie420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: lessharm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hypermegachi showed [Ah Ac] and won ($211.60) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 5: Kingsfield (button) showed [6s 6h] and lost with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 6: lexpat (small blind) folded before Flop
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for this next hand, villain is semi-loose, not all that aggressive.
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
MP ($87.50)
Hero ($103.40)
Button ($95)
SB ($145.50)
BB ($256)
UTG ($39.80)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 , 8 .
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, 2 folds, BB raises to $4, MP calls $3, Hero calls $3.
Flop: ($12.50) 8 , 3 , 3 (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $14, MP folds, Hero raises to $99.4
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villain is semi-loose passive.
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
UTG ($107)
MP ($96.40)
CO ($158)
Hero ($112.70)
SB ($107.70)
BB ($108.80)
Preflop: Hero is Button with J, Q.
1 fold, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, BB checks.
Flop: ($3.50) K, 9, T (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $2, Hero calls $2, BB folds.
Turn: ($7.50) 3 (2 players)
MP bets $4, Hero raises to $10, MP raises to $16, Hero raises to $109.7
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this is standard vs short stacks right?
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
BB ($108.15)
UTG ($56.25)
MP ($99)
Hero ($99.50)
Button ($27.85)
SB ($132.90)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.5, Button raises to $27.85, 2 folds, UTG raises to $51.2, Hero raises to $99.5, UTG calls $5.05 (All-In).
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sorry for so many hands  , last one here. villain just sat down, unknown. i think i played all streets alright...except the river. i should have folded to the raise right?
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($101.35)
SB ($266.85)
BB ($103.45)
Hero ($145.70)
MP ($99.50)
CO ($244.85)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q.
Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, Button raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.50.
Flop: ($25.50) 4, 6, 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $18, Hero calls $18.
Turn: ($61.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.
River: ($61.50) T (2 players)
Hero bets $25, Button raises to $71.35, Hero calls $46.35.
Final Pot: $204.20
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bluey
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? what exactly is it you want?
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BR: $.1k
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IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?
you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
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Originally Posted by bluey
? what exactly is it you want?
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just a hand checkup. i know from first read it looks like all of these are fairly standard...except maybe the last one. if you're crazy ass there's probably some extreme situation where it's proper to fold KK preflop when stacks are like 1000bb or something.
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these are all pretty standard.
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
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Originally Posted by bluey
? what exactly is it you want?
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just a hand checkup. i know from first read it looks like all of these are fairly standard...except maybe the last one. if you're crazy ass there's probably some extreme situation where it's proper to fold KK preflop when stacks are like 1000bb or something. |
Fairly standard lol... yah I'd say so.. the first two hands you have KK and AA preflop and then you flop a straight and then you flop a boat lol.
For the 88 hand, I would probably often smooth call there since you have position on him. Let him hang himself on the turn.
That first QQ is easy because UTG is short. But if he was deep.. his play would definitely have me worried. Limp raising UTG after two raises must be pretty strong, unless you've seen him do this before.
The last QQ hand depends on read. I would probably play it the same. I might check call the river here sometimes, since I can't imagine many worse hands calling here. Maybe 88,JJ but thats it, so might as well let him bluff overs.
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I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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It's ok to 3-bet less than all-in.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
It's ok to 3-bet less than all-in.
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what kind of hands would call a big 3bet (min-3betting is dumb) but not call an all in? with such strong hands, aren't we committing ourselves to getting it all in on any turn?
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
aren't we committing ourselves to getting it all in on any turn?
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Just because I commit to seeing a river or showdow with a hand, it doesn't mean I have to shove all the chips into the center on an early street.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
aren't we committing ourselves to getting it all in on any turn?
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Just because I commit to seeing a river or showdow with a hand, it doesn't mean I have to shove all the chips into the center on an early street. |
how do you plan on getting their chips into the center?
for the 88 hand on a 833 flop, i don't see why we should call here. no card in the deck can really improve the opponents hand unless they have a PP and it happens to hit them. all hands calling a big flop 3bet will probably call an AI.
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
how do you plan on getting their chips into the center?
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The same way Home Depot gets you to pay for a stove.
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
all hands calling a big flop 3bet will probably call an AI
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First, is this really true? What do you see people do in actual play?
Second, what if re-raising half my stack really gets me the same folding equity as a shove, which line is easier to balance?
I'm not saying shoving is bad or even not ideal. I'm saying it's not always best and you should think about other lines.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
all hands calling a big flop 3bet will probably call an AI
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First, is this really true? What do you see people do in actual play?
Second, what if re-raising half my stack really gets me the same folding equity as a shove, which line is easier to balance? |
well, for this particular instance (88 hand), i think shoving is better than 3betting, for reasons already stated. also, why would we want fold equity when the only hand we are behind to is 33? what we wanna do is either make outrageous bets like the all in, to make it look like we're bluffing, or make small value bets. which one is more profitable? well, depends on the cards and opponent. for this particular instance, as i've stated, there really is no helpful card on a 833 flop that could help villain. get it all in!
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I'm not saying shoving is bad or even not ideal. I'm saying it's not always best and you should think about other lines.
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agreed.
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
what we wanna do is either make outrageous bets like the all in, to make it look like we're bluffing
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The level of thinking going into most hands in that game is past this.
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
why would we want fold equity when the only hand we are behind to is 33?
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We dont want fold equity here. We might want it later when were bluffing.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
what we wanna do is either make outrageous bets like the all in, to make it look like we're bluffing
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The level of thinking going into most hands in that game is past this. |
i think opponents still can't let QQ+ go in this situation.
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Originally Posted by Pelion
We dont want fold equity here. We might want it later when were bluffing.
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huh? bluffing with the 2nd nuts?
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Why would you push with the 8-8 hand? You want all his chips, why make a bet that is only called by hands that an opponent will still be losing a lot of money with when you just call and then check to him? At least give him the opportunity to overplay an 8, a pocket pair below 8's, or some weird bluff.
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