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Old 01-15-2009, 08:13 AM     Post subject: 100nl flop double gutshot + fd, turn play? #1 (permalink)  
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 this is a broken down full ring table - I've been here since it's been short and have about 3 orbits with button this table/session.

button and I have played a little in the past, at Full Ring he's 18-13 with 5% 3-bet and 65% fold to flop c-bet over about 1.2k hands.

This table is kinda loose - mostly because of the deep-stacked bb who is running 78-20 and should be dead money. I'm running 35-25, but pretty sane post-flop.

i've flopped double gutshot + fd = bingo

Thoughts on best turn play?
play on earlier streets - better to check-bomb the flop?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, J
Hero raises to $3, Button calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) 7, 10, 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, Button calls $6, BB calls $6

Turn: ($27.50) K (3 players)
BB checks, ok, check or bet?
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 01-15-2009, 09:26 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I c/r this flop in heads up pots, when I get floated on a lot, to protect my c/fing range. With the weak BB Id just bet out and build a pot, given that BTN is unlikely to take a stab with air.

Only reason to check turn would be if we expect the BTN to raise a bet, blowing out the BB. Id still b/3b AI I think.
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:20 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Definetively bet/3bet turn, we have a huge equity with the flop/turn action and BB seems free money!
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:40 PM #5 (permalink)  
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This feels like an omaha hand with everything you can hit on the river.
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that is a crazy hand. TP, DGSD, FD, omfg. Bet bet bet.
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Old 01-15-2009, 06:55 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 pretty sure that the button has a straight and the dead money has got scared out of this hand.
Everyone still think I should get it in?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, J
Hero raises to $3, Button calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) 7, 10, 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, Button calls $6, BB calls $6

Turn: ($27.50) K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18, Button raises to $45, 1 fold, ok - now what
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 01-15-2009, 07:06 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 the bet size is important more than the actual bet
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:03 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 i would definitely check turn and call as played, not 3bet
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:42 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 I'd bet this turn, but I see no value in shoving this turn once he's raised. Just flat the turn c/r, and probably have to fold river unimproved.
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 I could go either way on betting or checking turn, it doesn't really matter too much. Although I'd lean towards checking turn as I would check a blank river behind.

As played call and fold if you dont hit a straight or flush. Depending on bet size (pretty small) id consider calling a J or K.
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I c/r this flop in heads up pots, when I get floated on a lot, to protect my c/fing range. With the weak BB Id just bet out and build a pot, given that BTN is unlikely to take a stab with air.

Only reason to check turn would be if we expect the BTN to raise a bet, blowing out the BB. Id still b/3b AI I think.
You play a set or a straight that way to? I wouldn't recommend doing that at all and balancing your c/r range with a draw isn't really balancing when you only do it with a weak part of your range. If you c/r here as the pfr you're pretty much saying you have a draw or air imo.



 
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:19 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 call, and bomb river when you improve. It's a shame you're not deeper, as the board pairing might allow you to get villain off his QJ.
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