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Old 07-26-2009, 05:21 AM     Post subject: 100NL floating a c/r #1 (permalink)  
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I got the impression that he was aggressive
while he wasn't check/raising a lot of flops, I think he's more likely to do it with a real polarized range like sets/flush draws and air rather than with like a top pair hand
especially on a flop that has no connected cards that is just so attackable

now, he does not have any hands other than sets that would give me a ton of trouble because if he is raising a flush draw he is already losing to me since I have ace high backdoor

if he is turning a pair into a bluff, then I my plan is to bet the turn when he checks to me and take it down
however, I got a really nice turn and he bet into me
again, I didn't think he'd have a king, so unless he has a set I am ahead of his entire range because now I beat his pocket pairs

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J, A
1 fold, Hero bets $4, 2 folds, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($9) 8, 3, K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB raises to $19, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($47) J (2 players)
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River: ($105) 7 (2 players)
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Old 07-26-2009, 06:27 AM #2 (permalink)  
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i dont mind this because you have position, and you can catch an ace, jack or club on the turn and play aggressively.

if you miss the turn and he bets you fold 100%, if he checks do you bet unimproved - if so how much would you bet, if we bet 1/2 to 2/3 pot we take down against air and can get some calls from draws that we have showdown value against.

(would we say though that most flop CR with draws continue to fire the turn here?)
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Old 07-26-2009, 06:48 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I thinks draws do barrel, but since we have the ace there are less draws he'll play this way because if he has like a 6 high flush draw he wouldn't want to raise/fold the flop because if I have a big hand he has implied odds
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:31 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Bet the river for value???


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Old 07-26-2009, 11:17 AM #5 (permalink)  
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im sure id bet a small amount of river. otherwise this is fine.
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 what are we getting called by on the river that we beat? i count exactly 0 hands.
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Old 07-26-2009, 04:12 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i think we get c/r almost never here, so we have the best hand unless he is decent enough to go for a c/r with AK.

i think we can bet for value vs his flop bluff which has ended up with a showdown hand ie J9 or A7 types who may call after we bet a missed draw on river. we neednt bet big just like 20% pot.
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Old 07-26-2009, 04:54 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I thinks draws do barrel, but since we have the ace there are less draws he'll play this way because if he has like a 6 high flush draw he wouldn't want to raise/fold the flop because if I have a big hand he has implied odds
so if you're not putting him on a possibly FD to CR, you're calling because you think he has complete air most of the time? and with this air he's pure bluffing the turn as well?

i'd like to know the reasoning for calling the flop...
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what are we getting called by on the river that we beat? i count exactly 0 hands.
This imo, maybe like QJcc or 10Jcc or something like that will look you up often enough

But at 100NL unless there is history that villain likes to hero call i see no point in merging your range here. I'm a showdown monkey in these spots and it makes your W$SD go up when he's at the bottom of his range. Plus it's free information no matter what he's holding. I think it's played fine.
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I thinks draws do barrel, but since we have the ace there are less draws he'll play this way because if he has like a 6 high flush draw he wouldn't want to raise/fold the flop because if I have a big hand he has implied odds
so if you're not putting him on a possibly FD to CR, you're calling because you think he has complete air most of the time? and with this air he's pure bluffing the turn as well?

i'd like to know the reasoning for calling the flop...
That's what the flop texture tells me, he pretty much never has two pair, never has a straight draw, etc. so his most likely holdings are sets and air because there is 0% chance he won't 3b AK (he is a very frequent 3bettor)

but I recognize he might have queen high flush draw which he will barrel
and oh wow guys I missed the bet on the river because I was really nervous about my hand strength because if he did merge his range and c/r'd KQ I'd feel stupid vbetting the river
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:09 AM #11 (permalink)  
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if you shove this river and he's getting 3:1 on his call he'll surely call that with more hands that you beat than beat you since you put his range on sets/KQ and nothing more if he had you?
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if you shove this river and he's getting 3:1 on his call he'll surely call that with more hands that you beat than beat you since you put his range on sets/KQ and nothing more if he had you?
yeah but his air hands are like small pocket pairs
is he really calling a river shove with 22?
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:15 AM #13 (permalink)  
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floating this flop is tarded w/ your read. If you think he has flush draws that aren't the NFD and sets only in his range, clearly you should raise/fold the flop. If he's shoving over your flop 3bet w/ random naked flush draws you've already won so you don't lose anything by folding.

And as played there's no reason to bet the river.

Also, fold to flop raise vs opponent who hasn't shown much aggression, just cuz you have the Ac doesn't mean you have to put a bunch of money in the pot....
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...vs opponent who hasn't shown much aggression
he's one of the more aggressive regs, that's why I said "I got the impression that he was aggressive"

also, 3bing the flop is lol yeti theorem
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:29 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 I don't think there's much value in a river bet here at all. I think we're good here a lot, but I don't think thats necessarily a reason to bet.

He's polarized and I can't think of any worse hands he plays like this that will c/c us here. The fact that clubs missed is another reason to not bet, since its conceivable his checking range has strong hands in it, and trying to induce a bluff if we missed our draw.
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