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Old 07-29-2009, 11:06 PM     Post subject: 100nl facing river jam #1 (permalink)  
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what's the best hand you call with on river
villain: 23/18/3.3

my hand looks like 2pr/set/Tx going for thin value

IF we bet turn whats the strongest we'll call a raise/shove with?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG Protector_ ($197.30)
UTG+1 gurgelapa ($109.30)
CO sugent ($118.00)
BTN pilz ($377.65)
SB Hero ($107.40)
BB Yorke19 ($100.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, Yorke19 calls $2

Flop: ($6, 2 players)
Hero bets $5, Yorke19 calls $5

Turn: ($16, 2 players)
Hero checks, Yorke19 bets $10, Hero calls $10

River: ($36, 2 players)
Hero bets $18, Yorke19 raises to $82

Final Pot: $136
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:38 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Your hand looks like crap, not 2P or a set going for thin value. You should be bet/folding most of your stronger hands on the turn. Maybe something like Pair + Draw you'd c/c turn with, however you'd be more likely to c/c river with what is basically a bluff catcher.

Not really sure what I'd call with here, because I'm not sure what I'd turn up with here.
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:47 AM #3 (permalink)  
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say I grossly underrepped my hand, we basically need a read that opp can bluff shove rivers before we call this with close to the nuts?

being that i have a strong hand, i should bet/get it in on turn and if he calls value bet river. what "strong" hands would we fold on turn to raise or river to shove?
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Old 07-30-2009, 01:01 AM #4 (permalink)  
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He can bluff catch a wide range on river, so he either thinks he has the nuts or close, or he's bluffing at weakness. If I wanted to b/c river then I'd want a good read on him before doing so.

Generally on turn I b/c sets and big pair+FDs, and b/f pair and 2P hands that cant/unlikely to improve. If he just called turn and shoved over a river value bet then without solid reads I probably only call with something like a Q high flush or better.
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Old 07-30-2009, 01:25 AM #5 (permalink)  
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the thing i didn't like in hind sight despite having used a dumb FPS line is that I snapped him off without thinking about it for even 10 seconds.

it's obv not easy folding the 4th nuts here but I should have at least thought about it, he had the nuts
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Old 07-30-2009, 01:36 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:54 AM #7 (permalink)  
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People just arent bluff raising rivers much at 100nl on Everest, so they either need to be bad enough to do it with worse, aggro enough to do it as a bluff or you need the near nuts.
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Old 07-30-2009, 04:03 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 well ur hand definitively looks like Tx when you bet here. i think close to 0% of 100nl players will try to bluff u off that. I think most aggro regulars will shove a range of exactly every better hand. that leaves you with a simple pokerstove calculation.
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Old 07-30-2009, 04:58 AM #9 (permalink)  
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so if I have a flush and played it deceptively and am trying to get a str8 to call here this is a reasonable river bet or would you make it close to put - id think i should. fold unless i have Qhi or better flush..

i think low flushes would likely flat a stronger riv lead
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 You look like you have something like a black 9T here. Even if a 100NL reg can read this, he's not going to try and bluff you off it with anything less than a chop. The rest of the time you're hurtin'.


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Old 07-30-2009, 12:34 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 I can't imagine any hand I would ever play this way...

I'm pretty sure almost my entire range is c/c here or c/r'ing and never leading and certainly never leading half pot and certainly certainly never leading half pot when I don't know if I wanna snap this off or jam over top.

So I guess my answer is... I would snap call with my entire range that decided to play this hand this way.
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Old 07-30-2009, 01:00 PM #12 (permalink)  
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So I guess my answer is... I would snap call with my entire range that decided to play this hand this way.
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