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BigPapi
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08-14-2009, 07:42 PM
Post subject: 100NL: AJs blind vs BTN, villain barrels
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Villain was pretty loose preflop; 33/16 over 77 hands (af 4.0). Just saw him get outdrawn for 100bb on the other table trip aces vs inside straight draw. Played 2 hands before against him. 1 I bet AK 3 streets on 55KT2r board and he folded for 3/4th pot on river (allin). Other was a small pot I picked up. I had initiative in both hands.
This hand feels like it's too passive... 4 isnt a scarecard and he's still betting. I dont think leading is good, cause it folds out his bluffs, but now I'm in a bit of a pickle
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($155.20)
Hero (BB) ($107.20)
UTG ($19.50)
MP ($100)
Button ($101.50)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , J
2 folds, Button bets $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.50) 9 , A , 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50
Turn: ($22.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $14.50, Hero ?
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4-of-a-Kind
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c/c turn, check/evaluate river.
Also is his normal cbet size pot? Or do you have any betsizing tell on what range he could be doing that with?
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BigPapi
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His cbet is 6 out of 6. I saw him pot flop everytime so far except in the 3bet pot where he flopped trips aces, he bet 8.50 into 21.50 there...
river [Td] and he bets 51.50 and leaves 24.50 behind.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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fold turn, with AQ i would call turn and call river. DON'T call turn/fold river.
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bspahn
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AJs might be a bit too strong pre to just flat, I would often 3bet this against this type of opponent. As played calling turn is fine. Like you said when he flops a monster he bets small to keep people in so it's less likely he has AK or a set on this flop imo.
River is tough, esp the T, a blocker bet might be fine on a lot of rivers here...
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
DON'T call turn/fold river.
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wrong, people don't have the balls to fire a third barrel, that's when you know you're beat
in fact I would call two streets more often than one or three in most cases
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
DON'T call turn/fold river.
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wrong, people don't have the balls to fire a third barrel, that's when you know you're beat
in fact I would call two streets more often than one or three in most cases |
yea that's true
though if we were villain and were bluffing, we would want to either fire one or three barrels on an Axx flop is my understanding
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bspahn
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Full House
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if we are villain and opt to barrel Axx and get called twice we're almost always putting opp on at least a reasonable ace and most don't fire that last barrel.
this is where reads and player tendencies are the most important thing, we can't generalize too much if we want to improve and move up through the levels.
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griffey24
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
DON'T call turn/fold river.
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wrong, people don't have the balls to fire a third barrel, that's when you know you're beat
in fact I would call two streets more often than one or three in most cases |
yea that's true
though if we were villain and were bluffing, we would want to either fire one or three barrels on an Axx flop is my understanding |
Not necessarily, but depends on the board. If it was something like an A22 board or something I'd say thats more likely the case. But on an A89 rainbow board, it's still possible he c/c flop with 56,67,8x,9x,JT,QJ etc and will fold most of these hands on the turn.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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minSim
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c/c twice is actually my standard here. I always feel dirty folding to the river bet, but I don't think people bluff there enough.
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I'd say AQx/AJx/ATx are the prime candidates for two barrels on ace high boards because gutshots/middle pairs call flop a very high amount
A98 not as much because 65s/76s might not be in a reg's range pre whereas 98s/T9s would be most likely
so if BigPapi is pretty tight on the big blind I would tend to fire one or three streets on this board, but if he was a little looser (incl. flatting Axs and 65s here) then maybe fire two? How do you like my thinking
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griffey24
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08-17-2009, 11:58 AM
Post subject: Re: 100NL: AJs blind vs BTN, villain barrels
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by BigPapi
Villain was pretty loose preflop; 33/16 over 77 hands (af 4.0).
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Also people like this are in general opening a ton of buttons, maybe stealing 50-60%.
He probably also cbets the flop with near 100% of his range (though I'm not sure what full pot cbet means), so he's getting to turn with a massive part of his range like this. I'm never folding flop or turn, and I'd re-eval river.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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BigPapi
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Yeah that was what I was thinking for flop/turn. On river my thought process was as followed (what is written between what do you call these things is background info i know and might be important to clarify why i think somehting):
Hmm pot, normally a bit big for value (most standard players use 2/3 or 3/4 pot and dont fire 3 shots very often either), but this doesnt seem like a standard TAG the way he's bet so far. I've shown I've got a hand here by calling twice, so he might think he can get value out of me here and try to maximize it by making it look bluffy. (at this site they have a bet pot button and I found most regs use this as a bluff a lot, but I have no reads of him doing something likewise) Also can he expect me to fold an ace here? I also still have better hands then just an ace in my range, so I'm leaning towards folding this time.
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