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GatorJH

01-20-2009, 02:25 PM Post subject: 100NL - AA gets pushed back on

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villain was 19/13/3.5 thru 126 hands

Honestly I felt totally lost on this hand when he raised the turn and probably made the worst decision of the three.

How bad did I donk up this hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) ($121.70)
MP ($114)
Button ($174.50)
SB ($126.70)
BB ($180.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, A

Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, BB calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) Q

, 5

, 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB raises to $34, Hero calls $23

River: ($88.50) 7

(2 players)
BB bets $65, Hero folds

Total pot: $88.50 | Rake: $2

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Da GOAT

01-20-2009, 02:30 PM

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fold turn. he aint gonna turn a low PP or FD into a bluff here enough to call, your weak turn bet will likely make draws just call.

why u bet turn so weak?? why bet it anyway?

since he is a nit u can check back turn too.

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IowaSkinsFan

01-20-2009, 09:32 PM

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fold turn bet turn harder

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ATOTHEC101

01-21-2009, 12:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

fold turn bet turn harder

Definitely this, bet $15.

noble007

01-21-2009, 08:26 PM

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I probably bet-fold turn.

I don't think your turn bet-sizing is bad against this opp though.
+- 2/3 pot on flop & +- 1/2 pot turn is pretty balanced in my opinion.

it gives him1.55-1 draw over course of hand istead of 1.9-1 he needs to draw to a flush.

If you bet 3/4 pot 15 into 20 as most suggest an avg player will fold his flush draw esp when board pairs (wouldn't we?) so you no longer get value out draws or alot of lower pp & he often only continues with trip Q's + in this scenario.

Against weak players with wider vpips and high wtsd I will vbet closer to 3/4 of pot on turn as I know they will continue with draws and worse in this scenario.

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kmind

01-21-2009, 09:07 PM

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I agree in a sense, noble, but what if we don't know if our weaker size makes him bluff more frequently?

GatorJH

01-21-2009, 09:20 PM

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When I saw the posts about a larger bet size it made me want to review some past posts that discussed smaller bets on flop and or turn in instances where you would want to control the SPR. Unfortunately I haven't had time to do some searching, but would definitely like to discuss this particular topic more as it is something that I would like to get better at in a general sense.

In this particular case I didn't want to build a huge pot and therefore bet smaller to keep the pot size down. Of course I blew that strategy when I made the donk call to his raise, but that is not the point.

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Toadstool

01-21-2009, 09:34 PM

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Well, He is saying he has trip Q's when he C/R'd turn, then flush gets there, and he still fires big? knowing you could easily have a flush draw?

This isn't trip Q's, especially with the big river bet. I think you can discount two pair on the flop so that leaves 22/55/A or K high flush....pretty small range..

Also how often would he just slowplay a set on that flop?

Considering this I don't mind a call on the river here.

noble007

01-21-2009, 10:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kmind

I agree in a sense, noble, but what if we don't know if our weaker size makes him bluff more frequently?

Their bluffing frequency will/should rise slightly and yes you have to compensate for this when working out your equity vs their range.

But if your range is pretty balanced it should be counteracted alot by the times opp will choose to bluff raise your set/fh with this 1/2-2/3 pot v-bet size in comparison to the times he will just fold to the 3/4 bet size.

(This bet-size also makes it cheaper for you to dbl barrel)

* 2.5 yrs down the line I'm still playing 50nl so don't put too much stake in my opinions.

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bjsaust

01-21-2009, 11:06 PM

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I'm not sure this is a great example of it Gator, but generally when I decide to bet smaller or larger than usual, it will be in spots where I dont think it will change things. Basically where I expect opponent to either fold or call/raise almost regardless of my bet size. If I suspect a full pot value bet will be called just as much as a 1/2 pot one, then I go full. If I expect a half pot bluff (say a c-bet where I missed flop) to work just as well as 3/4 pot then I got 1/2 pot. Generally these will be spots where you'd use phrases like "cannot continue without xxx" or "will call with his entire range".

The question in this hand, is whether thats the case. Does a small bet get just as many folds as a larger bet, or like kmind suggest, might it invite a bluff raise?

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nutsinho

01-22-2009, 02:32 AM

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i would bet 14-15 on turn and not call any raise

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