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BigLRIP
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08-27-2008, 09:35 PM
Post subject: 100NL - 99 squeezed pot line check
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: BC
Posts: 194
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I haven't been catching any cards on this table so I may be viewed as weak tight/nitty. Also if they've been paying attention I got owned by the table fish in which I called flop turn and river donks with a weak top pair against the fishs flopped trips, not sure if this is relevant though.
I'm playing without a Hud but villain sees like a standard tagg...
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.00 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($100.00)
BB ($206.19)
UTG ($148.56)
MP ($124.96)
CO ($104.57)
Button ($126.99)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 , 9
2 folds, UTG raises to $4.00, Button calls $4.00, 1 fold, Hero raises to $17.00, 1 fold, Button calls $14.00
Flop: ($40.50) 3 , 5, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $24.00, Button calls $24.00
Turn: ($88.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $58.00
Also not sure about squeezing with 99 so comments on that would be cool too.
Edit: converter messed up. Original raiser is in the CO, not UTG
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minSim
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4-of-a-Kind
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Imo calling preflop is a lot better, I'd save the 3bet for hands that play worse postflop...also sqeeuzing an UTG is asking for a raise/fold by villain so using 99 is turning it into a bluff often.
I'd bet the flop more so that turn is an even easier shove, but even as played you can't get away imo.
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BigPapi
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2007
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I don't hate squeezing with 99 (i think it's probably profitable with ATC), but I rather do it with my lower pairs 22-55 (or perhaps 66), so you don't get into situations like this.
Also if I bet the flop I'd make it higher, because by betting you're already committing anyway and we'd want the guy to fold. Problem is by squeezing and c-betting you've committed to this pot and we can't be too happy about getting it in
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Da GOAT
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Feb 2006
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id def call pre with 99. i wudnt 3bet 22-55 either. hand has way too much value.
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BigPapi
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Flush
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against the wide range CO/BTN plays? it's very difficult to play postflop without flopping a set/getting enough value when you do. so why not add a little preflop fold equity and perhaps pick up 8bb's right there?
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Marshall28
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Full House
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i think id only wanna squeeze 99 here when i was up against two good thinking players who didn't fold too much to 3bets. Otherwise, if they fold too much, you are turning a hand w/ good value into a bluff, or if they don't fold enough, you get yourself into too many tough spots on the flop. so id just do it for balancing reasons against good players.
dunno what to do on this flop and turn, depends on your image a lot i think. if u have been 3betting too much and hes fed up with u then u have to get it in. if u havent really squeezed much and he has no reason to play back, u r always gonna be crushed here.
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bode
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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squeezing 99 is wtf standard here for me vs CO & Button. and the button especially should be calling widish here because its such a standard spot for a squeeze.
i dont know if i like the turn barrell or not. id probly give up tbh.
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Fnord
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Wheel flopw without an Aces have terrible fold equity. I like the double here.
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BigBadBull
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3-of-a-Kind
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I like preflop. Flop is fine when you want to either 2xBarrel or are vbetting. I like the double barrel, but if you werent planning on betting trn- I'd make it 32 on the flop.
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BigLRIP
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: BC
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Alright here are my thoughts tell me if I'm off base.
Preflop I think he generally has suited connector or low pair type hand with the odd 1010 and JJ thrown in there. I think he shoves all of his draws on the flop and his flopped sets (?) so that leaves 66-1010 which I feel is that majority of his flop calling range. Hopefully he puts me on AKxc and calls.
On the other hand I'm not sure if this is too thin and he just folds worse hands and calls with better, but I can't really imagine check folding with the pot being so big and without more definitive reads of villain. Bah i'm confusing myself...
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meeloche
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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I don't like preflop. Marshall covered most of it but to reiterate, you don't seem to know what kind of hands either of these 2 call 3 bets with which makes this bad cause you do not dominate any of a general tagg 3 bet calling range.
I don't want to squeeze 99 here cause it has to much value to bluff with because if we are 4 bet we have to fold cause we don't seem to have any batshit insane image and neither do the villains.
Now postflop: Flop bet is ok but not great (its better if you have some dynamic and not a nitty image) however it smokes his range harder than it does yours. I almost prefer c/c to get some value out of bluffs. (Your hand isn't really all that vulnerable its more wa/wb) Turn bet is really bad cause nothing that beats you is folding and nothing that you beat is calling. Why make a pot committing raise on the turn with a hand that has showdown value?
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