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BigPapi
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02-01-2009, 12:43 PM
Post subject: 100NL 140bb deep KK in 3way 3bet pot
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UTG just sat down with 140bb (200bb table), BB is kind of a regular, have 400 hands on him and I think he's really tight preflop (14/10). He doesnt 3bet at all. His postflop agression stats are 2.9 mainly on flop and turn (3.4 and 4.5).
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($250.40)
SB ($369.40)
BB ($127)
UTG ($140)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , K
UTG (poster) raises $3, Hero raises $13, 1 fold, BB calls $12, UTG (poster) calls $9
Flop: ($39.50) 7, J, 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $25, BB raises $114 (All-In), UTG raises $127 (All-In), Hero ??
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zook
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Obviously the question is how wide BB's c/shoving range is here. As long as he has some flush draws (and QQ?) in addition to sets I think it's a call. Because I think a posting utg has a pretty wide range here, including a lot of J's.
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BigPapi
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yeah, I'm not too concerned about UTG, since his range is pretty wide, probably including top pair, flush draws, sets. BB I wasn't too sure about. Flush draws yes, but what is the chance they're both on flush draws? I think QQ is probably in his range here, but that would be the very bottom of it
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zook
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I just realized that a tight BB cold-called your 3bet. I'd say that takes out a significant number of his flush draw hands. Still, I stoved it and I think you have right around the 30% equity you need to call here. Flip a coin.
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nutsinho
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its pretty lol that you dont offer any timing observations on UTGs flop call. .5/1 players arent good enough to balance their timing here and if he called within just a few seconds this is a trivial fold. If he tanked it is a close decision.
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jyms
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Sick call here, but bank on one FD and you have a blocker, then things look better. Only Axdd is really scary here, and you still have it three way so I close my eyes and call.
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mcatdog
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its pretty lol that you dont offer any timing observations on UTGs flop call. .5/1 players arent good enough to balance their timing here and if he called within just a few seconds this is a trivial fold. If he tanked it is a close decision.
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He's a poster though, he's probably snap calling with QJ or an 8 high flush draw. I still think it's close, if BB's cold-call range is JJ+ then you're only 40% against him, but maybe we can discount AA a bit?
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BigPapi
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sorry, thought i had it in there. UTG almost insta called, but I gotta go with mcat on this one since he's a poster and not fully stacked. I think his range is still very wide, I'm really concerned about BB who might only play sets, QQ and NFD's this way (dont think too many in his range though)
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nutsinho
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i know he's a poster and all, but god damn you just have to be so fazed here w/ the snapcall, you are drawing to 2 outs against one opponent so often. Even an idiot will hesitate for a moment before getting it in retarded on the flop.
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BigPapi
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I almost timed out before I decided to fold... mainly because what Nuts' is saying that when I'm behind here I'm pretty much dead.
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zook
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Originally Posted by BigPapi
I almost timed out before I decided to fold... mainly because what Nuts' is saying that when I'm behind here I'm pretty much dead.
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results?
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BigPapi
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BB had QQ and UTG had 85s
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
He's a poster though, he's probably snap calling with QJ or an 8 high flush draw.
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I'm so good at poker
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nutsinho
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not everyone who posts is a degenerate retard..
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Parasurama
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not everyone who posts is a degenerate retard..
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Wait, really? I wonder if you could post UTG as a level at higher stakes, at least when you've just moved up or something.
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