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griffey24
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11-26-2008, 03:58 PM
Post subject: £2/£5 - I'm probably just nuts..
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Straight Flush
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-villain in this hand is a preflop nit 15/11 with an AF of about 3.5
-despite his preflop nittiness, I've seen him make weird postflop raises in spots that don't really make sense and stuff (the c/r KK on Axx boards .. and that variety)
-his line makes no sense to me here, and I'd imagine given the EP limp/call that a nit like him has no 2x or 3x in his range. I'm not sure if my previous statement of his weird raises makes this better or worse...
£2/£5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG (£470.40)
UTG+1 (£190.65)
CO (£572.00)
BTN (£687.05)
Hero (SB) (£1144.00)
BB (£609.25)
Pre-flop: (£7, 6 players) Hero is SB  
UTG calls £5, UTG+1 calls £5, 2 folds, Hero raises to £20, 1 fold, UTG calls £15, UTG+1 folds
Flop:    (£50, 2 players)
Hero bets £34, UTG calls £34
Turn:  (£118, 2 players)
Hero bets £67, UTG raises to £180, Hero raises to £500, (£240 to villain)
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Genitruc
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I like it... only shitty thing is not getting called by worse but calling is meh i suppose
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
I like it... only shitty thing is not getting called by worse but calling is meh i suppose
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So if this isn't getting called by worse, then shipping KQ/KJ etc is probably the same difference then?
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Irisheyes
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just limp along preflop because he's so tight.
I like postflop
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Genitruc
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shipping with KJ or KQ is worse imo cuz if he makes a "bad" call with Axdd then he's ahead
in fact I think it's a pretty big difference.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Silly String
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I don't know your image, but do you think he folds many PPs on this board? How can this not be a humongous spew?(serious question, not trolling)
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thizzSantaCruz
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because he's not stacking off with midpairs very often, would you? I think AJ is a raise here vs his limp, were going to make it difficult on him with his pairs and other junk. I don't think a 15/11 is limping aq+ so we don't have to worry about being dominated. Could be AA though.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Silly String
I don't know your image, but do you think he folds many PPs on this board? How can this not be a humongous spew?(serious question, not trolling)
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This just seem like a very odd spot for someone to be raise/calling a hand like 44-88 without strong history/read.. as opposed to calling down or something.
So to answer your question, no I don't think he would be raising a PP here and then folding, but I don't think a pocket pair is raising here that often to begin with.
If my read is wrong that he wouldn't be raising a PP here, then this whole hand is complete spew.. yes!
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Genitruc
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i really don t think this hand is bad
give him any reasonable range and it s a really tough call for him.
he ll almost never have AA KK
The big problem is quads... and fk quads imo
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Renton
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your raise size preflop is a pretty big error imo
as for postflop if you aren't gonna check fold the flop then you should just do shit like this i suppose
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Renton
your raise size preflop is a pretty big error imo
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I'd like to hear more about this. What is your raising range?
And do you just not like myraise size, or raising altogether?
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Renton
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your raise is too small, you are basically building a multiway pot oop with the worst kind of hand. i think 25-30 would work much better
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Genitruc
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Originally Posted by Renton
your raise is too small, you are basically building a multiway pot oop with the worst kind of hand. i think 25-30 would work much better
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yup
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Genitruc
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and not raising pre is fine as well
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Irisheyes
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I think raising OOP over a 15/11 limper with AJ is bad anyway.
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nutsinho
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i remember the warm summer night during which i fold AJo in the small blind to no raise. actually i dont. i think he has J4o a lot so i like your play.
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griffey24
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Alright, thanks for the input guys. General consensus seems that as long as I raise bigger pre, the rest of the hand plays fine.
Villain raised me on the turn, and I shipped and he TANKED .... and eventually called with 66 ...
hmm... this whole line confused me. First raising.. then raise tanking and NOT raise snapping.. seems like the dumbest thing ever if you're raising in the first place. The fact that he also raise/called 66 was weird... given we didn't have any crazy dynamic.
gg nitdonkey
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Irisheyes
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owned
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Silly String
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Probably too many draws for him to fold.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Genitruc
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out of curiosity, who was it?
god his line sucks without and ill, ill read
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
out of curiosity, who was it?
god his line sucks without and ill, ill read
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The Coin , he's such a nit dumbass
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