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    Default [50NL] 86s...BU vs SB. Line Check.

    Villain is 24/24/0 (3bet) over 21 hands.

    PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
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    UTG: $80.50
    CO: $51.75
    Hero (BTN): $51.42
    SB: $54.87
    BB: $79.99

    SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 6 8

    fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, fold

    Flop: ($3.50, 2 players) 9 3 4
    SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB raises to $7.50, Hero calls $5.00

    Turn: ($18.50, 2 players) A
    SB checks, Hero bets $10.25

    Check on turn really surprised me. Was ready to fold when the A comes down and he checked it, whatever he was trying to rep on the flop (which is very little) he has just gave up with, unless he has some Ax that he just picked up SD value with.

    Should we be betting here?
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    you are only repping Axdd/A9 unlless you use to call Ahigh or sets
    i'd check back turn
    i'd also min3bet flop
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    I like to bet with 8high here vs some spazmo flop bluff that checks the turn and I doubt villain is anywhere near thinking enough to know you have zero Ax here (since presumably you jam over the flop). That said, villain does have some Ax flop bluffs but we have some equity if we do get called here by that part of his range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    I like to bet with 8high here vs some spazmo flop bluff that checks the turn and I doubt villain is anywhere near thinking enough to know you have zero Ax here (since presumably you jam over the flop). That said, villain does have some Ax flop bluffs but we have some equity if we do get called here by that part of his range.
    I think I can have some Ax in my range, AdKs, AdKh, AdKc, AdQs, AdQh, AdQc, etc etc.

    The check on turn was just really weird, and as you pointed out, we have decent equity here. Even moreso if we assume an 8 or a 6 is good some of the time as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra_1878 View Post
    Should we be betting here?
    nah,
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    Our hand is too weak to call flop. On the other hand this is a pretty good candidate for a flop 3bet as razvan suggested. It blocks some flushdraws that are shoving and has decent equity if villain calls (which he shouldn't ever do). I suppose we don't necessarily need to have a 3bet/fold range on the flop though.

    As played check turn.


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    p4's do you not think his range is full of shit enough that we can float this hand with position on the flop? We at least have a backdoor straight draw to go with it.

    I mean, I'd probably float this c/r with any pair I bet with on the flop, and with AQ/AK also if I bet those. Are those bet/folds as well, or are those hands just of greater value than 8d6d?
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    AK/AQ think go better vs his c/r range which is mostly 9x/nfd/fd/ some overcards maybe.
    Calling 86dd isnt +ev vs that range since we're prettu much checking back any brick turns and when we hit will be hard to get paid by worse often enough and we will pay his fd to many times .
    W/ a small 3bet/fold here i guess we have some FE vs 9x/overcards/some better fd and outs v his fllating range what that may be(cant imagine what he'll flat here though) and also having a 3bet/f range might make him shove softer and wider in future into our 3bet/calling range.
    This is the way i see this spot. Could be wrong though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    I mean, I'd probably float this c/r with any pair I bet with on the flop, and with AQ/AK also if I bet those. Are those bet/folds as well, or are those hands just of greater value than 8d6d?
    I much prefer to float with those hands. Here we're very susceptible to a double c/r with this hand and rio is probably negative. If I float here with 8 high I'm shoving over any turn bet. I'd make that play in a hu setting, not here vs unknown. Calling to fold to a blank turn barrel is just too bad for my red line. Calling twice and shoving rivers? Meh.


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    Call on flop is fine. The problem with checking back the turn is that he never will believe you if river blanks and he checks to you he is likely to snap off your bluff.
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    If we're betting the turn, presumably we should be jamming most rivers if he calls and checks again? Otherwise checking turn seems infinitely better than betting the turn and checking the river back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkbee View Post
    If we're betting the turn, presumably we should be jamming most rivers if he calls and checks again? Otherwise checking turn seems infinitely better than betting the turn and checking the river back.
    No because ott villain needs to worry about rio.


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    I don't mean jamming river is bad, just that not betting turn is.


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    Seems I was sleeping when I made the first post, but the reason for confusion is that I really don't call that flop so my ranges are messed up.


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    I think that it would be better if you only checked the turn.
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    This turn is perceived to be really good for our range so if our turn bet is called I think we should be very concerned about firing rivers

    Because of this we are likely to get folds often enough from all villains bluffs giving up for us to bet w/ 8d6d.

    It seems unlikely to be more profitable to check

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