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badgers
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10-28-2007, 11:48 PM
Post subject: $50NL, JJ river bet size
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain is 29/12 after just 40 hands. I think his range is QQ+, AK after the 3bet pre and I call pre for set value. I call the small cbet, expecting to c/f turn. I'm not sure about the flop call, but it was such a small bet that I couldn't fold my JJ with AK in his range.
Then on the river I want maximum value. I really wanted to shove and probs would have had the flush not completed. A pot bet is very likely to just get called, and I don't know how often he would shove over with AA to a half pot bet. So I dunno...
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) by Hand Converter CG
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($16.99)
SB ($12.75)
BB ($47.14)
UTG ($83.87)
Hero ($88.23)
CO ($77.19)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Jd, Jh.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, CO raises to $8.5, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls $6.
Flop: ($17.50) 7s, 4d, 5h (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.
Turn: ($37.50) 5s (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.
River: ($37.50) Js (2 players)
Hero bets ......
Thanks 
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Ash256
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I quite like CRAI, although it takes balls.
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bigspenda73
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shoving is fun
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
shoving is fun
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whats calling exactly?
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badgers
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[Miffed22001] 2:47 pm: c/ring all in is sick
[Miffed22001] 2:48 pm: and then you get him to bet his better hands and perhaps
bluff his AK/AQ
[Miffed22001] 2:48 pm: obviously better hands are fked trying not to call on river
[Miffed22001] 2:48 pm: deeper and itd be a sick bluff
[badgers] 2:48 pm: Ding!
[badgers] 2:48 pm: I <3 crai here
[PokerMuzz] 2:49 pm: lol
[badgers] 2:49 pm: why didn't i think of that
[badgers] 2:49 pm: Cos he obv value bets anything that wasn't folding anyway
[Miffed22001] 2:49 pm: lemme fidn a good hand
[badgers] 2:49 pm: may even bet AK
[PokerMuzz] 2:49 pm: i suppose he has to bet most the time on river
[badgers] 2:49 pm: and I stack a flush
[badgers] 2:50 pm: AND if he's a donk he'll still call with AA/KK
[PokerMuzz] 2:50 pm: yeah
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/thread. TY all.
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gabe
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standard c/r allin, in all likelihood he doesnt have shit so dont bet
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
shoving is fun
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whats calling exactly? |
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A LOT
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gabe
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pfffft try actually putting him on a range, and when you do consider what he thinks hero has
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by gabe
pfffft try actually putting him on a range, and when you do consider what he thinks hero has
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I'm just maximizing our value against his calling range b/c he's calling a shove with his entire calling range.
C/r'ing works but I think we're overestimating the times he bets with AK/AQs.
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gabe
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hes calling an open shove just as often as he calls a c/r shove
sooo at least we get extra money from ak/aq the few times he bets it
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bigspenda73
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so he's never checking behind QQ-AA?
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
so he's never checking behind QQ-AA?
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who would check that through the turn?
i CRAI here. villain played this exactly like AK. your hope is he had AKs and backdoored the flush so he can stack off.
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