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griffey24

04-29-2010, 03:17 AM Post subject: $3/$6 - few hands: Where's the value?

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Hand 1
-utg in this hand is somewhat loose, but button caller has a very low 3bet and its possible he's flatting a big hand. I figure he'd raise the flop with a big hand often enough here.
-can debate my flop sizing, but it's intentional and a size I use often in spots I think people are likely to float or spazz re-bluff since their range is much stronger than mine

$3/$6 No Limit Holdem
4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($984.05)
BTN ($1,456.05)
Hero (SB) ($607)
BB ($1,319.80)

Pre-Flop: ($9, 4 players) Hero is SB

CO raises to $18, BTN calls $18, Hero calls $15, 1 fold

Flop:

($60, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $42, BTN calls $42, Hero raises to $105, CO calls $63, BTN folds

Turn:

($312, 2 players)
Hero ??

Hand 2
-villain in this hand calls a lot of 3bets
-no dynamic this session yet, but sized flop small to set up a triple barrel bluff on low cards
-no strong reads on his tendency to either call two and fold to three, or call all three
-easy river shove?

$3/$6 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($159.65)
UTG+1 ($1,204)
CO ($600)
BTN ($600)
SB ($1,036.05)
Hero (BB) ($723.50)

Pre-Flop: ($9, 6 players) Hero is BB

3 folds, BTN raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $50, BTN calls $35

Flop:

($103, 2 players)
Hero bets $35, BTN calls $35

Turn:

($173, 2 players)
Hero bets $100, BTN calls $100

River:

($373, 2 players)
Hero

Hand 3
-I had been playing pretty aggro on this table, and anyone at this table for a while probably has me with a 3bet of around 15 for this table
-I have slowed down since I got deep with everyone
-I have 3bet villain a few times, he's folded all, and this is the first 3bet with deep stacks and first call
-flop call was 2ish seconds, turn call was slower
-is this an auto check/re-eval (likely fold), or is there value given all FD's bricked? or value in c/c if people turn hands into bluffs?

$3/$6 Ante $1.20 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1,222.80)
CO ($1,790.95)
BTN ($729.95)
SB ($2,752.40)
Hero (BB) ($879)

Pre-Flop: ($15.00, 5 players) Hero is BB

1 fold, CO raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero raises to $72, CO calls $54

Flop:

($153, 2 players)
Hero bets $70, CO calls $70

Turn:

($293, 2 players)
Hero bets $165, CO calls $165

River:

($623, 2 players)
Hero ..

Quote:

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I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

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ilikeaces86

04-29-2010, 03:28 AM

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Why not 3 bet hand 1 pf?

pocketfours

04-29-2010, 07:20 AM

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#1: I'd overcall and give up. As played I'd bet turn small and shove river.

#2: Don't really like sizing and the fact that you left an overbet for the river. I doubt you will be ahead more than 50% when called since he still has all Kx hands in his range.

#3. This isn't very deep. I think shoving could be a fun play if your image is terrible. Probably just c/f though.

griffey24

04-29-2010, 05:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

Why not 3 bet hand 1 pf?

Yah I don't think I was paying attention properly at the time, and didn't notice it had just gone 4 handed. Given that I think squeezing is best.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

#2: Don't really like sizing and the fact that you left an overbet for the river. I doubt you will be ahead more than 50% when called since he still has all Kx hands in his range.

Yah you're probably right about him having Kx's in his range, given my flop sizing. He prob gets to turn with all pairs, all 8x, most KJ/KQ and some Ax. I made my turn bet pretty small, I think its feasible he gets to river with most 8x still, majority of pairs and Kx now. How is a bet of $130ish here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay-Z

I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

pocketfours

04-29-2010, 06:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

How is a bet of $130ish here?

You bet $130, he thinks for about three seconds and shoves for $418.

The action is to you. $288 to call.

Your decision please?

Ravageur

04-29-2010, 06:59 PM

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Meh ppl still aren't bluff shoving rivers optimally at 3/6 so I don't think making an obvious blocker on this river is that bad.

God i've gotten so damn nitty, but I think I like c/folding turn with JJ.

AA hand can we c/call river ever? Definitely think we'd only bet river to avoid getting bluffed when we check...but then that doesn't make sense so...

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griffey24

04-29-2010, 07:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

You bet $130, he thinks for about three seconds and shoves for $418.

The action is to you. $288 to call.

Your decision please?

Well that's an interesting question, cause that's exactly what happened!

My decision was "wow this makes no sense". I had the As, so I block floated Axss hands. The running cards were Ks, Js so he couldn't have had like Kxss or something. 8xss was possble, but there are probably only four combos of that (68ss,78ss, 89ss,T8ss). He probably wouldn't jam KQ if he had that. He'd probably jam KJ (12 combos, discount for preflop call and flop call and not always jamming, so maybe 6 combos). He'd jam 8's full so 3 combos of that. He'd jam JJ, so 1 combo.

So I lose to 14 combos. I need him to be bluffing with like 4.5 combos, and he feasibly gets to river with like 68,78,89,T8cc,dd, (8 combos), 99,TT(6 combos), this guy calls a lot of 3bets so probably A8s(2 combos), 66/77 discounted (2 combos) so thats 18 combos I beat. So he needs to be bluffing with 25% of his bluff catching range... hmmm feasible?

I called, but doing these combos I think its a fold now. Doing these combos, I also think you're right and that not enough worse combos will call a river value bet (needs to call with 14/18 of his river combos, that seems very unlikely)

Quote:

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I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

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