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jyms
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09-21-2010, 12:29 AM
Post subject: $20NL QQ facing 4bet and shove
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MP is a tagg that doesn't seem stupid over a ton of hands, the SB is a retard who's just a gambler and can have any 88+, JTs+ and Broadways. I have no issues with getting it in here vs SB but a Tagg that 5bet shoves? can he be isolating enough here?
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($23.82)
SB ($71.37)
BB ($15.55)
UTG ($13.75)
MP ($20.19)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Q , Q
1 fold, MP bets $0.80, Hero raises $2.70, SB raises $9, 1 fold, MP raises $19.39 (All-In), Hero?
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pocketfours
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Even the crazy retards sometimes have hands when they 4bet cold. If it's totally obvious to everyone that his range here is JTs+ then of course you are going with this hand. Even if you put MP on AK/KK+ it can still correct to call because of SB.
Put yourself in the MP seat and try to figure out the correct shoving range vs you and the SB, then recalculate your equity with QQ vs that range and your best estimation of SB range.
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jyms
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Yea, i did almost immedidately after the hand, I put him at JJ+ and AK. I ended up with 39% so it's probably a call. When MP first snap shoved I thought I was completly dead, but after thinking about hte hand and thinking if I was there, I want to get AI vs the retard and with my BTN 3bet range I would be a little lighter than KK+ and AK.
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griffey24
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I'd probably 3bet smaller IP to 2.40ish or so.
Given the 3bet size, I'd imagine its probably even less likely that someone is 4betting you light. Are ppl messing around here in these spots wide at these stakes?
I'd like to think I can find a fold here... not an easy one.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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JL
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Originally Posted by griffey24
Given the 3bet size, I'd imagine its probably even less likely that someone is 4betting you light. Are ppl messing around here in these spots wide at these stakes?
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The one 4betting is a retard, so he could have anything decent here.
Jyms, I think it's fairly close, and you wouldn't be making a big mistake no matter what you do.
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jyms
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FWIW the SB had AJo and and the MP had AKo. After talking a bit to P4s, I would have jammed JJ and maybe TT here after the retard 4bets trying to iso him and get the BTN to fold exactly what I did. I think it's a call given reads and the pot size and the stacks vs the retard.
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griffey24
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He got it in with AJ? Ok well if he's one of those spazzjobs that once they 4bet they think they have to call off everything to two jams, then ofcourse ship this.
I would still fold TT though, its too likely you're getting dominated and hoping to flip with two diff ppl seems optimistic.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Renton
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31% equity 3 way at the worst. I shove here.
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griffey24
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Not sure how any of us can properly comment on this hand, OP didn't even tell us what hero's tendencies are? What is hero's 3bet %?
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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jyms
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I'm 3betting about 6% normally, maybe 5% OOP. I don't think I have been out of line at all and don't have any known history vs the tagg other than playing pretty straight forward since it is the micros. I have about 700 hands on him and he's very typical micro tagg doing what he's been told without knowing why.
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get it in
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