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griffey24
Old 05-26-2007, 04:12 AM     Post subject: $200NL, a few crappy spots #1 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1:
-button is 22/20 over only 20 hands, so no real reads
-BB is 25/12/1 over 200 hands, and I haven't seen him cold call a raise before
-This is a brutal flop for aces, but I figured I would check and see the action behind me. I could probably fold here to a strong bet and a raise, but not sure what to do facing JUST a bet?

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Stack sizes:
Button: $247
Hero: $358.50
BB: $200

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is SB with
Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $24, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: ($72, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $52, Button folds, Hero ??


Hand 2:
-no reads on villain, he got to the table not long ago. He lead into the PF raiser on the flop, but I have no idea what that means from him
-is this a standard push call, but fold with reads. Or is this a standard fold, and call with reads?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $193
CO: $228.75
Button: $366
SB: $391.75
Hero: $341.26

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with
UTG folds, CO calls, Button raises to $8, SB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: ($25, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $20, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: ($65, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $30, Hero raises to $70, CO raises all-in $200.75, Hero ??
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I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
 
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Old 05-26-2007, 05:11 AM #2 (permalink)  
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first one I turbo muck and second one I fold pre w/ no reads, looks like an obv flopped set to me, but obv i call cuz ima station
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Old 05-26-2007, 05:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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first one I turbo muck and second one I fold pre w/ no reads, looks like an obv flopped set to me, but obv i call cuz ima station
First hand is it dumb to check, to see the action behind? Should I just be leading, and folding to a raise?.. I'm kinda stuck now, facing only one bet on this board.

I guess the only hands I'm beating in a reasonable range are AK and 1010, and I doubt 1010 is betting there. So I guess its just AK.
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Old 05-26-2007, 05:27 AM #4 (permalink)  
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yeah cold call should make you worried, I had a guy with similar stats call that with KK in this spot, so i c/f hur
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Old 05-26-2007, 06:01 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 1) You are often behind here, especially against a guy this passive I fold it easily.

2) Edit: pf is debatable but its fine against a guy that isolates a lot, so its okay (so is raising). Since he limped he can have a boat here obviously, but so is trip 8's or a smaller flush. Tough spot, I call though. Folding is fine too.
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Old 05-26-2007, 08:10 AM #6 (permalink)  
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1) lol folding. i dont fold the flop here ever- question is whether to bet or check. checking is fine i think, just call and fold to a shove on turn usually.

2) WTF you guys realize we have a FLUSH!!! and its the pfr and he never flops sets ever. and its only 2s and 3s we are worried about jesus christ. id call a shove happily. PF is a fold tho. I also usually lead flop intending to 3bet here and if i dont lead flop i definitely cr flop and call shove.

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Old 05-26-2007, 08:27 AM #7 (permalink)  
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1) if you check the flop you have to call his bet. AK is a big part of his range and you have 6 outs to improve+ backdoor flush.
2) easy call, looks like QQ-AA type of a hand.
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Old 05-26-2007, 08:41 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 re-read hand 2 i made the same mistake
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Old 05-26-2007, 08:47 AM #9 (permalink)  
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re-read hand 2 i made the same mistake
ok that changes things and taking in consideration the deep stacks it is indeed a tough spot, but hero is getting pretty good price here and depending on the player he could play a lower flush like this.

EDIT: CO was not deep I really need to practice reading hand histories...
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1) lol folding. i dont fold the flop here ever- question is whether to bet or check. checking is fine i think, just call and fold to a shove on turn usually.

2) WTF you guys realize we have a FLUSH!!! and its the pfr and he never flops sets ever. and its only 2s and 3s we are worried about jesus christ. id call a shove happily. PF is a fold tho. I also usually lead flop intending to 3bet here and if i dont lead flop i definitely cr flop and call shove.

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Old 05-26-2007, 07:52 PM #11 (permalink)  
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yea good point- i donno i still dont think i fold vs typical opponents but it wouldnt be terrible
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