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silu73
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11-04-2007, 07:31 PM
Post subject: $200nl - 4-bet pot - NFD + overcards against open shove
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Full House
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I have no read on opposition as this is only my 2nd orbit. Initially I thought that this is standard and an easy decision but the longer I think about it the more I would like to know what you guys think? Without reads and in position I often call with AK now as 4-betting on Ongame is pretty rare.
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $389.50
CO: $200.00
Hero: $197.00
SB: $146.15
BB: $212.55
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with A  K
UTG raises to $7, CO folds, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, UTG raises to $52, Hero calls.
Flop: 5 J 2  ($107, 2 players)
UTG is all-in $337.5, Hero ??
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EzDuzIt
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i would call
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IowaSkinsFan
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snap it.
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Dislexsik
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roll them dices
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pick up the phone
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Miffed22001
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Folding preflop is not weak here.
We have 10 outs if we're lucky IMO, most of the time i think we're drawing to a TJQ flop... :P
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noble007
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Even against a range of AA,KK, or a set of Jacks you still have 37% equity, which is a tiny amount more than you need.
So I call as his range could definitely be wider than that, in which case its definitely a call.
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benny999
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flop is an insta call, and what miffed said...if he has a QQ+/AK range, then pushing is better than calling. if it's QQ+ then just fold. i dont get calling.
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lol@folding
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silu73
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No I was not folding and I instacalled but I posted this hand because two friends told me that I should have folded which I found quite peculiar.
I have started to sometimes call with AK in position after being 3-bet. The jury is still out if this is a good move.
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bode
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snap call. calling here is fine in position, isnt it? Do we always 4bet AK in these spots? AKs only?
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benny999
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i dont see an advantage for having position with just a pot bet left. villain has the advantage of being the first to bet on the flop.
so are you just hoping to hit the flop...or what's with calling AK to a 4bet with 100bb?
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silu73
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Originally Posted by benny999
i dont see an advantage for having position with just a pot bet left. villain has the advantage of being the first to bet on the flop.
so are you just hoping to hit the flop...or what's with calling AK to a 4bet with 100bb?
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I have noticed that many people nowadays just call 3-bets with AA/KK and AK is just 4-betting/push. For 100bb there is not much you can do despite getting all the money in there when you hit the board in any way. I often tend to play AK like Aces and had good success so far. I am still not quite sure if its a good strategy.
However, I am offsetting this by 4-betting light if I have been "caught" calling 3-bets with AK.
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benny999
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but what happens when u miss the flop? do villain's just c/f JJ-QQ since it looks like you have AA?
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