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Old 03-18-2009, 01:35 AM     Post subject: $2/$4 - 3 hands I want to fold but can't #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is bad loose passive type. Haven't played with him much to know for sure though.

Maybe just call flop raise? Hate these spots.

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SB ($74)
BB ($405.80)
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, J
Hero bets $14, Button calls $14, 2 folds

Flop: ($34) J, K, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $24, Button raises $50, Hero raises $122, Button raises $322.10 (All-In), Hero calls $226.10



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Villain has taggish stats, but he isn't very good. He's always trying to make moves on me on these types of flops. He's floated me in 3 way pots with overcards in the past on this type of board.

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BB ($158.70)
UTG ($261.60)
Hero (MP) ($624.80)
Button ($1357.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, 8
1 fold, Hero bets $14, 1 fold, SB calls $12, 1 fold

Flop: ($32) 3, 7, 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB raises $60, Hero calls $36

Turn: ($152) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $90, Hero calls $90

River: ($332) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $222, Hero calls $222




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Villain has taggish stats but I noticed his SB 3bet% is 27% over a small sample and 0% from all other positions.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $14, 1 fold, SB raises $47, 1 fold, Hero calls $35

Flop: ($102) 2, 2, A (2 players)
SB bets $60, Hero calls $60

Turn: ($222) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $291 (All-In), Hero calls $291
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Old 03-18-2009, 05:26 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Maybe it's late and I'm dumb, but I can't see why you want to fold 2 and 3.

And on 1 I just call the raise vs this guy.


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Old 03-18-2009, 05:31 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Well in 2 his river bet just looks like the nuts. People don't bet $222 when they are bluffing in my experience. And is he value betting this river this large with worse?

In hand 3, when a tagg double barrel jams turn on dry A high board, it's almost always AK. I can't see him doing this with AJ or worse, but I could be wrong.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:09 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Call raise, play turn. He sucks so bad at poker that you're not that far ahead of his range.
Hand 2: Shove river if there is any monies left.
Hand 3: This is sooo game dependent.
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Galapogos and/or JL, could you outline your turn and river plan when you call villains flop raise in hand 1?

I think you should call hands 2 and 3.
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See a turn card and a turn bet size.
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Given reads we can check back flop in hand 2 ip.
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Given reads we can check back flop in hand 2 ip.
Well he wasn't actually raising a whole lot. He just loves to float with anything that has outs. If he's going to call flop with KQ here, then betting is best I think.
But I agree that if he starts c/ring a ton of flops, then I can just check behind hands like this.
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Old 03-19-2009, 01:27 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 1. flop 3bet is gross

2. folding this would be completely ridiculous

3 is a tough spot vs most people
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i think hand 1 u have to really be there to make that decision , but in scenario 2 and 3 i think your good in these places 95 percent of the time
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Hand 2: Shove river if there is any monies left.
That was actually my first thought.

I am just being results oriented. He showed up with Kc8c.


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2. folding this would be completely ridiculous
Agreed. I am just running so bad lately.
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:38 AM #12 (permalink)  
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1. flop 3bet is gross
The sizing or just the fact that I 3-bet?
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1. flop 3bet is gross
The sizing or just the fact that I 3-bet?
the fact that you 3bet this vs a loose/passive.. You're pretty much crushed when u get it in,
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Old 03-19-2009, 01:58 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 yeah the 3 bet is bad in hand one, bad loose passives don't usually raise draws here, and they are always scared of the flush, so when you 3 bet that's what he's going to put you on most of the time and he's not going to call with worse. when he shoves, you're most likely drawing to 4 outs.
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Old 03-20-2009, 02:09 AM #15 (permalink)  
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I would have call all 3 hands too. but in hand 1, i would not reraise unless another k or j shows.
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