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Old 03-30-2010, 07:24 AM     Post subject: $100NL - I donk flop with KK after flatting preflop #1 (permalink)  
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 I just sat down and have not done anything yet, so I didn't really want to "waste" KK by 3betting my second hand at the table.

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$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
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UTG ($81.90)
CO ($211.40)
BTN ($92.55)
Hero ($99)
BB ($120.70)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is SB
2 folds, BTN raises to $3, Hero calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9, 3 players)
Hero bets $7, BB folds, BTN raises to $17, Hero ?

What's my best line here?
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:35 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 without reads I'm 3betting pre - you are giving good odds to BB + you are OOP
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:52 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 maybe do this if your are IP, but OOP just 3bet. either way its not "wasting" KK
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Old 03-30-2010, 11:46 AM #4 (permalink)  
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what bode said, just build a pot or be happy with winning 4.5BB. as played id hate life because its so hard to get a grasp on what our perceived range is. Prob take the high variance road and b/3b flop right away, where calling oop creates really awkward stack sizes on turn.
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 "wasting KK" means you're finding reasons for FPS. Just 3bet really.

as played being OOP, raisy daisy
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:07 PM #6 (permalink)  
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unknown villain with 92bbs is prolly stacking off with like 88+ and a lot of draws. raiiiisseeeee
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Old 03-30-2010, 05:01 PM #8 (permalink)  
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unknown villain with 92bbs is prolly stacking off with like 88+ and a lot of draws. raiiiisseeeee
I went ahead and replaced 88-99 w/ 66 and 77 for obvious reasons. This also has no regard for his sizing which seems very strong. I'd probably just fold right away having got here this way.


Board: 5d 4d 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.492% 37.52% 01.97% 41232 2165.50 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 60.508% 58.54% 01.97% 64327 2165.50 { TT+, 77-33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad3d, A2s, 76s, 65s, 53s+, 43s, A2o, 76o, 65o, 54o }
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Old 03-30-2010, 05:04 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 oh, also why folding now is easily the best play:

Board: 5d 4d 3c 9h Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.204% 40.74% 00.46% 44 0.50 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 58.796% 58.33% 00.46% 63 0.50 { TT+, 77-33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad3d, A2s, 76s, 65s, 53s+, 43s, A2o, 76o, 65o, 54o }
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 2nd stove is pretty cool imo

We can also add 88-99, more AQ and AK combos, as well as lower FDs, all of these discounted somewhat.

Add to this that he's only 92bb deep and im not folding although I agree it's not the best spot. I'd certainly fold if it was like 120bb deep or more.

edit: his raise size sucks though, so nuts' range is prob more accurate given that. If he made it a little bigger I'd add the hands above.
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