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Laeelin

10-02-2005, 10:18 PM Post subject: $100NL to 200NL 6Max .. When to move up?

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I have the bankroll for $200NL, but i'm only making about 4bb/100 at the 100NL 6-Max tables, should I wait before moving up?

My thought is that I need to be making more like 6BB+ before I move up.

Thoughts?

PS: whats a good BB/100 for $100/$200/$400 NL?

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Seabass

10-02-2005, 10:42 PM

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I moved up when I had the roll, win rates can change abit so hunting numbers is hardly worth it. The game was not the same anyway.

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10-02-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Seabass

I moved up when I had the roll, win rates can change abit so hunting numbers is hardly worth it. The game was not the same anyway.

Unless i'm mistaken(and I could be), 4BB/100 is bairly beating the game.. Thats what has me worried about moving up. If I was doing good at $100NL I would move up without a problem...

Am I crazy?

Hmm, I could do 3 $100 and 1 $200 I guess.

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10-03-2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Laeelin

Hmm, I could do 3 $100 and 1 $200 I guess.

I say move up as long as you are properly rolled. 6max is kinda hard at 4 tables, why not try $200Nl just 2 tables for a while and see how you do. You can always move back down.

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Laeelin

10-03-2005, 12:22 AM

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Thats true, I'll try tonight and see how it goes...

I just wish it didnt take soooo many games to be sure of your win rate :/

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10-03-2005, 09:59 AM

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I wouldnt mix blind levels, I know a few do but for me it dont work at all.

Getting use to the blind and the game in general, playing 1 or 2 tables to start with is a good idea. I think you will be fine.

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10-03-2005, 11:26 AM

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Unless i'm mistaken(and I could be), 4BB/100 is bairly beating the game.. Thats what has me worried about moving up. If I was doing good at $100NL I would move up without a problem...

Is that PokerTracker's BB/100? In which case its actually 4 Big Bets which is 8 big blinds. That is not barely beating the game, its beating the game reasonably well with room for improvement. I have heard that 8PTBB/100 is extremely good.

If you have the roll for $200 I suggest you start taking shots at them until you have adjusted. Moving up gradually is far better IMO than immediately 4 tabling a higher limit and hitting a downswing which will hurt your confidence. Good luck and have fun.

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10-03-2005, 01:47 PM

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laeelin-

You should not only play within your bankroll, you also owe it to yourself to play up to your bankroll. What i mean is that it's damaging to your profit AND progress to play below or above your BR limitations. Personally, I like to play like this:

6MAX
25 buyins
3 tables
always buyin at max for the level (whatever that is)

So currently my BR is just short of $6000. 6000/25 = $240 max buyin level. Of course there is not a 240 NL buyin, so I have two options: I can buy into 200NL and short myself on BB/hr earnings, or I can buy into 400NL and play out of my BR. however, by playing three tables, I can play 200NL as the rule of thumb, and sneak in a 400NL table here and there.

For example, if I play 2 @ 200NL and 1 @ 400NL, that is spreading out $800/3, or 266/table. That is much closer to my BR dicated level, and it also allows me to continue to play at the level that has been good to me while exposing me to the next. I should probably get closer to 5 200NL tables and 1 400NL table to get closer to 240 (1400/6 = 233), which basically means slipping in a 400NL table every other session.

I would also suggest trying something on top of all this, if you're interested in actually realizing what your profits have brought you in tanglible ways. I busted out completely twice before really hitting a good stride, and I hate hearing it happen to players, but it definitely does, but this is how I came up with the idea:

Why not make a nice withdrawl from your account to take your BR back down to a nice 100NL BR like 2000 or 2500. So if you're at like 3000-3500, take out about a grand. Then, grind your way back up to prove to yourself that you are indeed ready for the next level. I have decided to do this each time I think I'm ready to move up a level, and now I actually have stuff to show for my poker earnings like paying off student loans early, down payment started for a new car, etc. Now that I'm done w/ grad school, I am going to start taking poker much more seriously with hopes of getting a BR that will allow me to play 3/6 and 5/10 instead of cashing out regularly, but this strategy has obviously been a good one for me because I actually have something to show for my hard work.

In answer to your question... it depends...
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Laeelin

10-03-2005, 05:09 PM

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Why not make a nice withdrawl from your account to take your BR back down to a nice 100NL BR like 2000 or 2500. So if you're at like 3000-3500, take out about a grand. Then, grind your way back up to prove to yourself that you are indeed ready for the next level.

I already withdraw about ~$1000 a week counting rakeback.

I know for a fact that I can beat $100NL, I have been beating it. (about 75k hands between full ring and 6-max)

I did spend a couple thousand hands at $200NL last nigh, and while I ended down 2 buy-in's, I didnt feel out of my league. It is a diffrent game though, and it's going to take some time to adjust.

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s that PokerTracker's BB/100? In which case its actually 4 Big Bets which is 8 big blinds. That is not barely beating the game, its beating the game reasonably well with room for improvement. I have heard that 8PTBB/100 is extremely good.

huh, this is news to me... Are you sure that PT shows the stat incorrectly? If so that makes me feel a lot better

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10-03-2005, 07:01 PM

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oh sure, laeelin, i knew you were pwning $100NL from your own website data, congrats on that. i just meant as you deal with the decision of moving up levels in the future. but then again, you're counting on this for your main source of income, so it might not apply. for those of us w/ sucker jobs, it might be more applicable

In answer to your question... it depends...
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anaj

10-04-2005, 08:37 AM

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I've just moved up to 200NL.

The game is pretty much the same as 100NL, just a little bit more aggressive. For example, if you check the river out of position when you've been leading the whole way, you'll almost always gonna face a pot sized bet. Of course this could be exploited. Most players are bad, and if you multitable, you will get away with camping as the bad players will pay you off with marginal holdings.

If you want better BB/100, play 2 tables only and work on reads and playing them. If you want to make money, multitable and wait for sets.

This hand shows how you'll get paid despite the fact that you've been folding the last half hour.

***** Hand History for Game 2812834936 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 02, 14:37:26 EDT 2005
Table Table 55194 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: anajalejt ( $209.25 )
Seat 6: MrFisk2 ( $439.70 )
Seat 3: DeBat ( $213.65 )
Seat 5: tiltedness ( $91.05 )
Seat 4: ligisten ( $198.45 )
Seat 1: RickyButler ( $195 )
RickyButler posts small blind [$1].
anajalejt posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to anajalejt [ 8c 8h ]
ligisten raises [$4].
tiltedness calls [$4].
MrFisk2 folds.
RickyButler calls [$3].
anajalejt calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Jd, 8s ]
RickyButler checks.
anajalejt checks.
ligisten bets [$9].
tiltedness calls [$9].
RickyButler folds.
anajalejt calls [$9].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
anajalejt checks.
ligisten bets [$30].
tiltedness calls [$30].
anajalejt raises [$60].
ligisten raises [$60].
tiltedness folds.
anajalejt raises [$60].
ligisten calls [$30].
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
anajalejt is all-In [$76.25]
ligisten is all-In [$65.45]
anajalejt shows [ 8c, 8h ] four of a kind, eights.
ligisten doesn't show [ Ks, Kh ] two pairs, kings and eights.
anajalejt wins $10.80 from side pot #1 with four of a kind, eights.
anajalejt wins $441.90 from the main pot with four of a kind, eights.

After turn I put the guy on JJ but was stunned when I saw that he had KK.

arkana

10-04-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Laeelin

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huh, this is news to me... Are you sure that PT shows the stat incorrectly? If so that makes me feel a lot better

Its because it was intended for limit games and there winrates are measured in Big Bets (which are double the big blind). Just take your amount won in $, divide it by the big blind (which is $1 for $100 NL so you dont have to divide) to get the number of BBs won. Then divide that by the number of hands which gives you big blinds won per hand. Multiply that with 100 and you have your big blinds/100. You will see that its double PTBB/100.

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10-04-2005, 01:54 PM

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The game is pretty much the same as 100NL, just a little bit more aggressive. For example, if you check the river out of position when you've been leading the whole way, you'll almost always gonna face a pot sized bet. Of course this could be exploited. Most players are bad, and if you multitable, you will get away with camping as the bad players will pay you off with marginal holdings.

This is a good observation! I just played a hand last night where I had position against the single opponent left in the hand, and he fired off two barrels before checking the river to me. I went all in (actually turned out to be about a pot sized bet of $90) with shit because I could sense he didn't like his hand so much, and he even showed me the TPTK after folding in case there was any doubt that I'd fleeced him. 200NL players really need to pay attention to this area of the game and find their comfort zone for this sort of play.

In answer to your question... it depends...
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Miffed22001

10-04-2005, 03:20 PM

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if you have the role move up. There are many variables on your win rate so moving up will tell you pretty quickly whether you should be there or not. If you get beat then you know you have to improve the win rate at 100nl first. If you win then who cares? your rolled for 200nl and thats where your going to play.

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10-04-2005, 04:30 PM

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Just hijacking the thread a litte, but if I regularly play $.50/1 NL (blinds), does that mean I'm playing 100NL?

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10-04-2005, 06:12 PM

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yep - 100nl = 0.5/$1nl

Laeelin

10-04-2005, 09:05 PM

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blah...
It's official, i'm not ready to move up.

I keep loseing

Last hand was rockets vs 98o ... he flopped a straight

.. and had called me down before with middle pair vs my AQ

On a side note, I was tilting a little when i moved back down and folded to a river bet when the board hit a straight on the river (flopped top set on a 345 flop, 2 turn, and 6 river) I knew he had me on the turn, and check folded the river, even though it was the only non pairing card that could save me... what a stupid fold

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