middle full house on top-bottom double paired board - 25nl

ok, pre-flop is me experimenting with bloating pots, flop bet is hoping for a raise, turn is standard i hope? river and how much is good for value here? bb seems kinda in need of a bib and might think Kxxx is good here, but 12 hands isn;t much of a read...

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($21.62)
SB ($25)
BB ($20)
Hero (UTG) ($27.93)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5:heart:, 8:spade:, 6:spade:, 6:diamond:
Hero bets $0.50, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.60) 4:club:, 6:heart:, 4:spade: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, Button calls $0.80, BB calls $0.80

Turn: ($4) K:club: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, 1 fold, BB calls $3.50

River: ($11) K:heart: (2 players)
BB checks,

I'd hope he has a 4 and won't fold so I'd bet like 8 and expect him to fold a wrap or JJ/QQ/AA almost always. But I feel confused, why would he not think Kxxx is good?

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Originally Posted by drmcboy

I'd hope he has a 4 and won't fold so I'd bet like 8 and expect him to fold a wrap or JJ/QQ/AA almost always. But I feel confused, why would he not think Kxxx is good?

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i feel like i'm being levelled, but i'll play along. Cos it's omaha and he's gotta play two cards, and unless he x = 4 or x = 6 etc

drmcboy, if we're the hero in the BB in this hand and we runner runner the trips, should we c/c $8?

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Originally Posted by drmcboy

But I feel confused, why would he not think Kxxx is good?

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sorry, i just clicked. The runner runner kings are way better for him than for my range if he holds a king.

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Originally Posted by courtiebee

drmcboy, if we're the hero in the BB in this hand and we runner runner the trips, should we c/c $8?

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how did we get here with Kxxx and if we did, it's hard for it to be AKxx (I'd assume it's some Kxxx with a wrap) so no, I doubt c/c'ing Kxxx here on the end is correct although we villain could conceivably be valuebetting A4xx or be bluffing a missed wrap himself.

I'd bet 3.50 again on the end and thus level myself into calling a raise, the bigger I bet, the more likely I'd be to fold to a raise.

I still don't get it. You're saying when you bet the flop you expect his calling range to be 46 only because he puts you on 66? Are you like a super nit? Pre flop sure doesn't seem like it so I think I'm just not following. No, I am not leveling you.


If I had Kx and I was BB I would bet because I would expect a lot of hands like 8754 to shut down on the end figuring we either missed or have ~A4xx and want to give the wraps one more chance to bluff and avoid a raise. But any 4 should call on the end.

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Originally Posted by drmcboy

I still don't get it. You're saying when you bet the flop you expect his calling range to be 46 only because he puts you on 66? Are you like a super nit? Pre flop sure doesn't seem like it so I think I'm just not following. No, I am not leveling you.


If I had Kx and I was BB I would bet because I would expect a lot of hands like 8754 to shut down on the end figuring we either missed or have ~A4xx and want to give the wraps one more chance to bluff and avoid a raise. But any 4 should call on the end.

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yeah, i clicked after i typed out the 'are you levelling me?' post (-> the 'oops, i got it sorta now' post an hour or so later) - i was a long step behind on understanding this hand. Cheers

phew, I thought I was going to have to quit smoking