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    Default Requesting feedback on some POFC sets for an experiment

    I have a theory I have recently devised, and I would like to test it by seeing how the FTR regulars would set the following hands. Please say not only how you would set the hands, but also why you would set them as you do. I'd be grateful for your responses.

    Hand 1
    UTG in HU POFC, how do you play a hand with a 4-flush and a top-2 FL pair, such as KK742 or AA742 (assuming that QQ+ is the standard for getting to FL)?

    Hand 2
    In position in a 3-way POFC game, you see your opponents set
    Q
    54
    97

    and

    K
    A
    TT8

    You have A7755

    How do you set?

    Hands 3, 4, and 5
    How do you set hands with 2 small pairs in HU POFC UTG? Does the 5th card influence your set? Consider, for example:
    K6644
    J6644
    66442

    Hands 5, 6, and 7
    Now imagine you have those same hands in position in a HU POFC game. How do you set after opponent shows:

    QQ
    K
    TT

    after opponent shows:

    Q
    A4
    TT

    after opponent shows:

    Q
    A
    TT6
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    Hand 1
    UTG in HU POFC, how do you play a hand with a 4-flush and a top-2 FL pair, such as KK742 or AA742 (assuming that QQ+ is the standard for getting to FL)?


    I can argue both ends of this one but I think in the long run 4 flush with A mid or K up top is probably the higher equity play in the long run. 3 flush AA mid or KK up top both have good value. I think of the hands you chose to discuss this one has the thinnest value short term due to the decent FL draw no matter how you set.


    Hand 2
    In position in a 3-way POFC game, you see your opponents set
    Q
    54
    97

    and

    K
    A
    TT8

    You have A7755

    How do you set?


    Again a pretty thin 2 way draw but I think I set A/7755/ bottom open and the push is that there is only one 5 and one 7 left.. One could argue quite well for top open/75/A75. Only 1 spade out; only 3 of your straight cards are gone and I don't see a 6 out there; there are 3 K 3 Q and 3 A left. I think that I still go for the first set with confidence I can beat 7755 on the bottom and a chance for FL.


    Hands 3, 4, and 5
    How do you set hands with 2 small pairs in HU POFC UTG? Does the 5th card influence your set? Consider, for example:
    K6644
    J6644
    66442


    This one has been eating at me for weeks, and I think the value is really found in the middle hand. The bottom one for me is easy; x/442/66 bottom. And the top k/44/66
    My problem is with the middle hand. UTG I really dislike putting a kicker with my bottom pair even though I am very likely to hit 2 pr if I do. This set being so extreme takes the value out of that play and I do play the kicker for X/44/66J. What I mean by extreme is that any card higher than a J is going up top and there are only 2 cards lower than a 6 that I have hopes of putting in the middle.



    Hands 5, 6, and 7
    too much for brain.
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    Hand 1

    I probably do it this way most of the time:
    K / X / K742
    A / X / A742

    This is a tough call - I might sometimes just set 3 to a flush here, especially if two of the three non-king/ace clubs are higher so that I can switch gears and move to a high 2 pair in back if the flush fails.
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    Hand 2

    Only 1 of the first 10 cards is a spade? That pretty much forces my set:
    X / 5 7 / A 5 7

    Also, this looks similar to something that was asked in the Jason Mercier thread.
    Let's suppose our opponents had a bunch of spades. Generally I like keeping 2 pairs together in back now but 77 high is near the border for me. In this case I prefer to split them because UTG has both a five and a seven so there are only 2 boat outs.

    If our opponents had more spades then I might go: A / 55 / 77
    Last edited by Eric; 04-01-2014 at 06:23 PM.
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    Hands 3, 4, and 5

    K / 44 / 66
    X / 44 / J66
    X / 442 / 66

    These are close. If the high pair of my 2 pair is 88+ then I pretty much always keep them together in back. Often times with 77 too, I think. 66 seems like just a bit too low though.

    Like I said before, I tend to keep 2 pairs together a little more often than I split them when there are no dead cards shown:
    Together (JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77 as high pair)
    Split (66, 55, 44, 33 as high pair)

    Of course this is all in a state of flux. Next month I might be doing things differently. Maybe we'll build a bot that tells me when to keep 2 pairs together and when to split.
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    Hand 1

    Almost always put the 3 flush on bottom. I'd put AA in mid, and QQ-KK on top.

    EDIT: Although I have been going back and forth putting AA up top. I'm not sure which is better but I'd lean more towards being conservative since it's a pretty easy walk into FL if you draw kings or queens early.

    Hand 2

    A / 55 / 77

    Hands 3-5

    K / 44 / 66
    - / 44 / J66
    - / 442 / 66

    Quote Originally Posted by OneByPhi View Post
    after opponent shows:

    QQ
    K
    TT
    Same for all three.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneByPhi View Post
    after opponent shows:

    Q
    A4
    TT
    Same for all three.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneByPhi View Post
    after opponent shows:

    Q
    A
    TT6
    Hm, this may lead me to set all three differently, something like:

    K / - / 6644
    - / J / 6644
    - / 2 / 6644

    I don't like that dead 6.
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    I usually don't adjust my sets unless I see dead cards. Do you guys often change how you set your hands depending on how your opponents set? Say if he makes a super agro set with AA up top, do you set more conservative?
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    [QUOTE=givememyleg;2197552]Hand 1

    Almost always put the 3 flush on bottom. I'd put AA in mid, and QQ-KK on top.

    EDIT: Although I have been going back and forth putting AA up top. I'm not sure which is better but I'd lean more towards being conservative since it's a pretty easy walk into FL if you draw kings or queens early.


    In our home game you only get 14 in FL with AA or better. That makes the math of AA on top or mid totally different. Would that sway you to AA on top 100% of the time?
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    Last 3 situations.

    We're against the following:
    A: QQ / K / TT
    B: Q / A4 / TT
    C: Q / A / TT6

    A. The good news is that villain has no fours and no sixes. The bad news is that we're up against a strong set. The fact that our boat chances are now better (42 unseen cards instead of 47) might be enough to make me keep the two pairs together:
    K / X / 6644
    X / J / 6644
    X / 2 / 6644

    B. I'm even more happy to put 44 mid now that I see villain has a four:
    K / 44 / 66
    X / 44 / 66J
    X / 244 / 66

    C. Ugh, I don't like seeing that six in villain's hand. This might be enough to make me switch the 44 and 66:
    K / 66 / 44
    X / 66 / 44J
    X / 266 / 44
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    This hand from http://www.flopturnriver.com/open-fa...able.php?10035 is similar to one of the hands here. It is hard for me to decide whether to keep 5577 together or split it. Villain shows a 7 so I switched the 55 and 77 between mid and back:

    MeGrimlock



    Discard A T 2 8
    Eric (Dealer)



    Discard 8 2 3 J
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    I'm not a big fan of setting the smaller pair above the larger pair, even with one of the larger pair gone. It worked out fine for you here, though: boat, boat, queens is pretty sweet!

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