PokerStars - Figuring out rate of VPPs

**spoonitnow** · 01-07-2008 03:23 AM

Okay I'm going to show you guys how to figure out what rate you're pulling in VPPs on PokerStars using Poker Tracker. First, filter for the level you're playing, and preferably have a sample size over 20k. I'll use my 100nl full ring results so far this year for an example.

So, how do you earn points? From the PokerStars website:

1. Earn FPP credits for cash game play

First Frequent Player Point (FPP) is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches:

* $0.40 for fixed limit poker games with stakes $1/$2 and lower
* $0.40 for NL/PL poker games with blinds $1/$2 and lower
* $0.40 for "1-on-1" poker games (this applies only to "1-on-1" tables, not to regular tables which have only two players seated)
* $1.00 for all other games

Second FPP is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches:

* $2.00 for all 6-max tables (this doesn't apply for games being played 6- handed at 10/9/8 player tables - just 6-max tables)
* $3.00 for all other tables

So I go into Poker Tracker and filter for just 100nl full ring hands. This comes out to 21561 hands. Then, I go to the Game Notes tab, and hit the "Get All" button.

So for 100nl full ring, I want to know how many hands were raked for $0.40 and how many hands were raked for $3. Depending on your stakes and whether or not you play 6max, these numbers might be different. Use the quote above to know what you need to search for. But anyway, if I add these two numbers together, I'll know how many base points I've made in the sample of hands.

While still on the "Game Notes" tab, I'll type in 0.40 in the little box that says "Only show hands with at least [x.xx] rake" and hit the Filter button. Of my 21561 hands, 6868 had a rake of 0.40 or higher. Now I filter the same way for hands that had $3.00 of rake or higher. This comes to 786 hands. Now I add 6868 to 786 to get 7654 base points over my 21561 hand sample.

I think this should be a good enough explanation, but if it's not I'll do a more detailed post with pictures and more calculations and whatnot.

**kmind** · 01-07-2008 03:24 AM

Thanks!! Very cool

**JinxT4** · 01-07-2008 03:44 AM

This is good to know. You know a lot (possibly too much =P) about Stars.

**elitemob** · 01-07-2008 06:32 AM

thanks, I was desperately searching for the quote you pulled from the pokerstars website the other day!

**pankfish** · 01-08-2008 04:05 AM

I don't think poker stars gives correct information. You get more fpps for tourneys, like one for every 20 cents, and I'm pretty sure they give you a FPP for every 40 cents total in rake, at least at the uber donk stakes. Otherwise I would have never completed two bonuses between 10 nl and 25 nl.

**spoonitnow** · 01-08-2008 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by pankfish

I don't think poker stars gives correct information. You get more fpps for tourneys, like one for every 20 cents, and I'm pretty sure they give you a FPP for every 40 cents total in rake, at least at the uber donk stakes. Otherwise I would have never completed two bonuses between 10 nl and 25 nl.

The part in bold is incorrect. Read my original post.

**pankfish** · 01-08-2008 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by pankfish

I don't think poker stars gives correct information. You get more fpps for tourneys, like one for every 20 cents, and I'm pretty sure they give you a FPP for every 40 cents total in rake, at least at the uber donk stakes. Otherwise I would have never completed two bonuses between 10 nl and 25 nl.

The part in bold is incorrect. Read my original post.

Ok, I just played way more hands were the rake reached 40 cents than I thought.

**spoonitnow** · 01-08-2008 10:33 PM

Yeah $0.40 is raked when a pot reaches $8.00

**will641** · 01-09-2008 05:47 PM

Spoon, im pretty sure there is an easier way of doing it using Poker Tracker. I could be wrong but tell me.

Open pokerstars and go to cashier, then VIP status and find out how many VPP's you have earned, say its 10k. Then, go to Poker Tracker and go to preferences, and say from 1st of the month to last of the month. then divide # of VPP's/ #of hands played.

concrete example:
this month i have earned 6500 VPP's, and I have played 16k hands.

6500/16000= .406 VPP/hand.

**spoonitnow** · 01-09-2008 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by will641

Spoon, im pretty sure there is an easier way of doing it using Poker Tracker. I could be wrong but tell me.

Open pokerstars and go to cashier, then VIP status and find out how many VPP's you have earned, say its 10k. Then, go to Poker Tracker and go to preferences, and say from 1st of the month to last of the month. then divide # of VPP's/ #of hands played.

concrete example:
this month i have earned 6500 VPP's, and I have played 16k hands.

6500/16000= .406 VPP/hand.

That's correct, but my method is more universal and can be used without even opening PokerStars. Also with the method you listed there's no way to have a sample size over multiple months.

**will641** · 01-10-2008 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by will641

Spoon, im pretty sure there is an easier way of doing it using Poker Tracker. I could be wrong but tell me.

Open pokerstars and go to cashier, then VIP status and find out how many VPP's you have earned, say its 10k. Then, go to Poker Tracker and go to preferences, and say from 1st of the month to last of the month. then divide # of VPP's/ #of hands played.

concrete example:
this month i have earned 6500 VPP's, and I have played 16k hands.

6500/16000= .406 VPP/hand.

That's correct, but my method is more universal and can be used without even opening PokerStars. Also with the method you listed there's no way to have a sample size over multiple months.

yeah but its not like you need a 100k hands to figure this out. and you can do multiple months when it is past January, just set it to since 01/01/08 on Poker Tracker

**spoonitnow** · 01-10-2008 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by will641

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by will641

Spoon, im pretty sure there is an easier way of doing it using Poker Tracker. I could be wrong but tell me.

Open pokerstars and go to cashier, then VIP status and find out how many VPP's you have earned, say its 10k. Then, go to Poker Tracker and go to preferences, and say from 1st of the month to last of the month. then divide # of VPP's/ #of hands played.

concrete example:
this month i have earned 6500 VPP's, and I have played 16k hands.

6500/16000= .406 VPP/hand.

That's correct, but my method is more universal and can be used without even opening PokerStars. Also with the method you listed there's no way to have a sample size over multiple months.

yeah but its not like you need a 100k hands to figure this out. and you can do multiple months when it is past January, just set it to since 01/01/08 on Poker Tracker

Using either method, a higher sample is going to give you a better result. Anything under 50k hands is going to be off quite a bit.

Also some people like to move up stakes at some point in their lifetime, and if you play multiple levels then you can't get an accurate measure without using Poker Tracker as I previously described.

**will641** · 01-10-2008 07:08 PM

it would be cool if we could get a good sample size from every level and whether full ring, 6 max or HU to see what the rates are and how they increase.

**spoonitnow** · 01-10-2008 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by will641

it would be cool if we could get a good sample size from every level and whether full ring, 6 max or HU to see what the rates are and how they increase.

There are some threads on 2+2 but finding them would probably be a pain in the ass

**Hawk** · 06-28-2008 09:57 PM

Have you, (or anyone really) figured out how to do this in PT3?

There is no Game Notes tab. I can go the the hands screen to see all my individual hands, but only grouped into the 169 hands, and I can only figure out how to look at/sort one hand grouping at a time.

I also can't figure out how to filter these hands based on rake amount.

**Sup3rM4N** · 09-28-2008 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkfan79

Have you, (or anyone really) figured out how to do this in PT3?

There is no Game Notes tab. I can go the the hands screen to see all my individual hands, but only grouped into the 169 hands, and I can only figure out how to look at/sort one hand grouping at a time.

I also can't figure out how to filter these hands based on rake amount.

Same here. Tried for awhile but left scratching my head.

**kingnat** · 09-30-2008 06:31 PM

Any idea how to do this with HEM?

**kingnat** · 10-17-2008 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by kingnat

Any idea how to do this with HEM?

Why yes, yes I do have an idea... http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...72.html#773104

**donkbee** · 10-18-2008 02:23 AM

{from beginners circle}

**nonodz** · 12-02-2008 07:21 AM

thank's for that post i'm playing on pokerstar and it's very interristing to know that

**Xman** · 12-21-2009 08:19 PM

How it is possible to make hit quickly the player?

01-07-2008 03:23 AM #1
spoonitnow View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Best Strat Poster 2012 Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 10,128 Location Working	PokerStars - Figuring out rate of VPPs Okay I'm going to show you guys how to figure out what rate you're pulling in VPPs on PokerStars using Poker Tracker. First, filter for the level you're playing, and preferably have a sample size over 20k. I'll use my 100nl full ring results so far this year for an example. So, how do you earn points? From the PokerStars website: 1. Earn FPP credits for cash game play First Frequent Player Point (FPP) is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches: * $0.40 for fixed limit poker games with stakes $1/$2 and lower * $0.40 for NL/PL poker games with blinds $1/$2 and lower * $0.40 for "1-on-1" poker games (this applies only to "1-on-1" tables, not to regular tables which have only two players seated) * $1.00 for all other games Second FPP is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches: * $2.00 for all 6-max tables (this doesn't apply for games being played 6- handed at 10/9/8 player tables - just 6-max tables) * $3.00 for all other tables So I go into Poker Tracker and filter for just 100nl full ring hands. This comes out to 21561 hands. Then, I go to the Game Notes tab, and hit the "Get All" button. So for 100nl full ring, I want to know how many hands were raked for $0.40 and how many hands were raked for $3. Depending on your stakes and whether or not you play 6max, these numbers might be different. Use the quote above to know what you need to search for. But anyway, if I add these two numbers together, I'll know how many base points I've made in the sample of hands. While still on the "Game Notes" tab, I'll type in 0.40 in the little box that says "Only show hands with at least [x.xx] rake" and hit the Filter button. Of my 21561 hands, 6868 had a rake of 0.40 or higher. Now I filter the same way for hands that had $3.00 of rake or higher. This comes to 786 hands. Now I add 6868 to 786 to get 7654 base points over my 21561 hand sample. I think this should be a good enough explanation, but if it's not I'll do a more detailed post with pictures and more calculations and whatnot.
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spoonitnow View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Best Strat Poster 2012 Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 10,128 Location Working	Originally Posted by pankfish I don't think poker stars gives correct information. You get more fpps for tourneys, like one for every 20 cents, and I'm pretty sure they give you a FPP for every 40 cents total in rake, at least at the uber donk stakes. Otherwise I would have never completed two bonuses between 10 nl and 25 nl. The part in bold is incorrect. Read my original post.
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pankfish View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2007 Posts 855 Location On Tony Romo's nuts	Originally Posted by spoonitnow Originally Posted by pankfish I don't think poker stars gives correct information. You get more fpps for tourneys, like one for every 20 cents, and I'm pretty sure they give you a FPP for every 40 cents total in rake, at least at the uber donk stakes. Otherwise I would have never completed two bonuses between 10 nl and 25 nl. The part in bold is incorrect. Read my original post. Ok, I just played way more hands were the rake reached 40 cents than I thought.
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will641 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 5,300 Location getting my swell on	Spoon, im pretty sure there is an easier way of doing it using Poker Tracker. I could be wrong but tell me. Open pokerstars and go to cashier, then VIP status and find out how many VPP's you have earned, say its 10k. Then, go to Poker Tracker and go to preferences, and say from 1st of the month to last of the month. then divide # of VPP's/ #of hands played. concrete example: this month i have earned 6500 VPP's, and I have played 16k hands. 6500/16000= .406 VPP/hand.
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spoonitnow View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Best Strat Poster 2012 Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 10,128 Location Working	Originally Posted by will641 Spoon, im pretty sure there is an easier way of doing it using Poker Tracker. I could be wrong but tell me. Open pokerstars and go to cashier, then VIP status and find out how many VPP's you have earned, say its 10k. Then, go to Poker Tracker and go to preferences, and say from 1st of the month to last of the month. then divide # of VPP's/ #of hands played. concrete example: this month i have earned 6500 VPP's, and I have played 16k hands. 6500/16000= .406 VPP/hand. That's correct, but my method is more universal and can be used without even opening PokerStars. Also with the method you listed there's no way to have a sample size over multiple months.
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01-10-2008 06:19 AM #11
will641 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 5,300 Location getting my swell on	Originally Posted by spoonitnow Originally Posted by will641 Spoon, im pretty sure there is an easier way of doing it using Poker Tracker. I could be wrong but tell me. Open pokerstars and go to cashier, then VIP status and find out how many VPP's you have earned, say its 10k. Then, go to Poker Tracker and go to preferences, and say from 1st of the month to last of the month. then divide # of VPP's/ #of hands played. concrete example: this month i have earned 6500 VPP's, and I have played 16k hands. 6500/16000= .406 VPP/hand. That's correct, but my method is more universal and can be used without even opening PokerStars. Also with the method you listed there's no way to have a sample size over multiple months. yeah but its not like you need a 100k hands to figure this out. and you can do multiple months when it is past January, just set it to since 01/01/08 on Poker Tracker
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spoonitnow View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Best Strat Poster 2012 Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 10,128 Location Working	Originally Posted by will641 Originally Posted by spoonitnow Originally Posted by will641 Spoon, im pretty sure there is an easier way of doing it using Poker Tracker. I could be wrong but tell me. Open pokerstars and go to cashier, then VIP status and find out how many VPP's you have earned, say its 10k. Then, go to Poker Tracker and go to preferences, and say from 1st of the month to last of the month. then divide # of VPP's/ #of hands played. concrete example: this month i have earned 6500 VPP's, and I have played 16k hands. 6500/16000= .406 VPP/hand. That's correct, but my method is more universal and can be used without even opening PokerStars. Also with the method you listed there's no way to have a sample size over multiple months. yeah but its not like you need a 100k hands to figure this out. and you can do multiple months when it is past January, just set it to since 01/01/08 on Poker Tracker Using either method, a higher sample is going to give you a better result. Anything under 50k hands is going to be off quite a bit. Also some people like to move up stakes at some point in their lifetime, and if you play multiple levels then you can't get an accurate measure without using Poker Tracker as I previously described.
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will641 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 5,300 Location getting my swell on	it would be cool if we could get a good sample size from every level and whether full ring, 6 max or HU to see what the rates are and how they increase.
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spoonitnow View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Best Strat Poster 2012 Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 10,128 Location Working	Originally Posted by will641 it would be cool if we could get a good sample size from every level and whether full ring, 6 max or HU to see what the rates are and how they increase. There are some threads on 2+2 but finding them would probably be a pain in the ass
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Hawk View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2007 Posts 1,627	Have you, (or anyone really) figured out how to do this in PT3? There is no Game Notes tab. I can go the the hands screen to see all my individual hands, but only grouped into the 169 hands, and I can only figure out how to look at/sort one hand grouping at a time. I also can't figure out how to filter these hands based on rake amount.

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Sup3rM4N View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2007 Posts 991	Originally Posted by Hawkfan79 Have you, (or anyone really) figured out how to do this in PT3? There is no Game Notes tab. I can go the the hands screen to see all my individual hands, but only grouped into the 169 hands, and I can only figure out how to look at/sort one hand grouping at a time. I also can't figure out how to filter these hands based on rake amount. Same here. Tried for awhile but left scratching my head.

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