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Old 10-21-2004, 12:59 AM     Post subject: Yawn, Pacific #1 (permalink)  
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 How long did it take you guys to clear $100 at Pacific Poker?

The site says 20X the Bonus amount must be bet, meaning $2000.

That sounds like a lot, in relation to hands played:

$.5/$1 - 500 hands
Percentages from Poker Track (Real small sample)

Preflop
VP$IPF = 20 % with PFR 5%

15%*500 * $.50 + 5%*500* $1 + 10%*500*.50 (for blinds) = $37.5+$25 + $25 = $87.5

flop
out of 125 Hands seen (500*25%)
Call = 11%. Bet = 22%, Raise = 6%, Check = 29.28%, Fold = 31%
Total $ =
11%*125*$.50 + 22%*125*$.50 + 6%*125*$1 = $7 + $14 + $8 = $29

Turn
out of 87 Hands seen (125*69%)
Call = 15%, Bet = 39%, Raise = 2%, Check = 22% Fold = 23%
Total $ =
15%*87*$1 + 39%*87*$1 + 2%*87*$2 = $13 + $34 + $3.5 = $51

River
out of 67 Hands seen (87*77%)
Call = 21%, Bet = 35%, Raise = 12%, Check = 18%, Fold =14%
Total $ =
21%*67*$1 + 35%*67*$1 + 12%*67*$2 = $14 + $24 + $16 = $54

Total $ spent on 500 Hands:

24+29+51+54 = $158

For $2000 = 2000/158 = 12.65 sessions of 500 hands = 6400 Hands.



Maybe My math is really incorrect but this seems like a hell of a lot of hands to play for $100 bonus. What do you guys think?

Plus, is there any way on Pacific to check how much you have bet?


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Old 10-21-2004, 01:08 AM #2 (permalink)  
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of all of the bonuses pacific takes the longest by far to complete. not only does it take forever to clear, you can only play ONE table at a time!!! basically, don't come here to bonus whore, you'll have to spend a lot of time here.

HOWEVER, the good news is the bonus is instant! this means you can deposit 400 bucks, withdraw 400 bucks the next day, and you can play with 100 bucks for free. lose everything, it's on them, wager the requirements and you can cashout your bonus money. so basically risk free.
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Plus, is there any way on Pacific to check how much you have bet?
Yes - go to Cashier, then to Bonus Points. You get 1 bonus point for every 10.00 wagered, so you should be able to figure it out from there.

As far as your math, preflop, you only allowed for those hands in which YOU PFR'd. I'm sure there are quite a few times where you called other's PFR. I think the same is true for the F, T and R.

You don't have to clear the bonus to use it, so just use it as a bankroll, then siphon off the profits every now and then. That's what I did anyway. Going to Pacific has been like milking a cow for me. Always a fresh supply of suckers there.
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 Thanks lhoney,

has any tried the 1/2 limit at Pacific? How is it compared to the .50/1?

As long as its free money I might try to work on my 1/2 game a little bit.

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Old 10-21-2004, 05:18 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Definitely cash out your initial deposit.

Then continue to cash out any winnings above your bonus.
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 I was able to cash out everything including the bonus after playing in just 5 No Limit Tournaments there.

It is true that unlike other rooms, it shows the bonus in the cashier as part of your bankroll so that you don't have to gradually see it come into play the way you do at other rooms like Absolute.
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Old 10-21-2004, 05:56 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Definitely cash out your initial deposit.
Done.

I may try and cash out that other $100 and be real sneaky. But for the moment I need to play 250 raked hands, maybe after that i will.


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Old 10-21-2004, 02:53 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I was able to cash out everything including the bonus
Damn thats awesome. I didnt even try. I did cash out the initial deposit though. I'm basically letting my brother have it though cause me staking him is the only way he can really play since his wife doesnt let him deposit their own money in it. I figure if he is gonna lose it might as well be money thats basically free anyway. He is a pretty decent player and I have been staking him for the last couple months and he hasnt lost me really much at all yet. Just like 60 bucks in tournament buy ins(40 and a 20 - all the rest are about even) but he knows when & if he ever starts winning he has to pay me back before I start letting him cash out. Of course I only let him do it cause he is my bro.
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 Boondock, you lead into an interesting question of mine....

Would you ever stake another player for a % of winnings? If so, what would be your clauses in the contract?


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Well actually my friend that is good at poker but fairly poor has requested that I stake him also. Since I have never heard of any staking deal besides Knishs on Rounders that is just kinda what I have it with my bro(thats just what he brought up and I said thats fine). 50% of his winnings, if he loses I take the whole hit. Since its my brother and we have been best friends for basically ever I dont even really do that and when he turns him game around into usually profitable I will just let him take it all. I know it will happen its just a matter of time. As far as a normal person I would probably first determine what they are going to playing. SNGs, MTTs, Rings and whether it was exclusive or mix and match. With SNGs I would probably make them start at 10s or less and give them $200 and if they lost it all I would cut them off. MTTs I would probably not do at all (because if they can't stake themselves more than likely they have close to zero experience with anything more than one table). Rings maybe like 8-10x the buy in and tell em to be conservative. Of course I would make them sign up under me as an affiliate so at least that would offset some of the hit and then at least you might even make extra if they come out ahead. There are only about 3 people I can think of off the type of my head that I would even consider staking to begin with.

I would never stake anyone that I didn't know in real life.(which I think this would be the case with all of use on here - if you stake someone you dont know in your life you are asking to be screwed). Unless its like Fnord lol, I would probably stake him though I know he would never need it.

Access to their account at anytime so I can check their progress and make sure they arent cashing out not giving me my cut. The people I would stake I really think have about a 1% chance of screwing me but if they started doing really good people have a way of getting greedy. Of course once they made a couple hundred bucks they would probably just start coming up with the stake themselves.

I can't really think of any other specifics but I might when I ponder this at work.

What are your thoughts?
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Old 10-21-2004, 08:00 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 Good Reply, I too only saw the first staking on Rounders and I wonder if it is plausible.

I would be more than willing to stake someone a couple $100 but they would have to play according to my ground rules, using whatever style they want. It would also have to be someone who is relatively moderate at poker and knows more than the average person. If my original stake is lost then I would cut him too. No use risking another investment. And more than likely 50% stake would be the norm too, until my money is paid back plus 50%. So $200 he would have to make an additional $400, giving me back my original 200 plus 100 for my investment. If he wants to keep going with his original $100 then he can.

For Family: I can't justify making money off a family member, as long as I get my money back I am more than happy.

As in their style of play:
It depends on their experience and what they are used to playing. If they have never played online before then I would start them with the real cheap $5 +.5 sngs but if they are a casual sng player then $10+1 sngs would be fine too. I doubt anything above that would be normal because if they were that skilled in tournament play then they wouldn't need my bankroll. Party/Empire would be a nice starting ground for Tournies.

Ring games, I would try to stay away from NL as long as possible. If he can show me they are successful at NL then obviously my payback will come rather quickly. Limit is where I will probably start them out at, as they can graduate levels when they feel more comfortable. I probably wouldn't have them start out on Party either, definately go with Poker Stars for limit games. I can see someone losing a lot of cash at Party real quickly if they can't recover from all the Fish.


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Old 10-21-2004, 08:24 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Ring games, I would try to stay away from NL as long as possible. If he can show me they are successful at NL then obviously my payback will come rather quickly. Limit is where I will probably start them out at, as they can graduate levels when they feel more comfortable.
True but maybe its only because the first game I ever played was limit and I lost 11 bucks in like 5 minutes. Which at the time I was pissed but now I wouldnt care much. I just thought limit was harder because it doesnt seem you can bet people out of hands and stuff. I just dont have hardly any experience with it and unless someone had a decent amount of experience with limit compared to NL I think NL is easier to beat. Maybe its just an illusion since I have played NL for so long. I think I would prefer somone be staked in SNGs though since I think those probably come with the least risk. Since 3rd always pays back and 1st pays for the tourney plus a few more. They would get the most play out of their money by far I think with 5.50 SNGs.
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well people...if you wanna bonus whore stay away from pacific.

after 1.5 hours this morning at the 0.5/1 table, i'm eligible to withdraw a whopping 2 cents out of my bonus money.
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 I moved up to the 1/2 tables. Played the same way, won more money because i wasn't taking as bad as beats, and what took me like 3 days to get 12 points, i got 12 in a 2 hour sitting. The players there are a lot better and respect raises. I have yet to try the Party 1/2 tables, I just want to clear the bonus first.


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well people...if you wanna bonus whore stay away from pacific.

after 1.5 hours this morning at the 0.5/1 table, i'm eligible to withdraw a whopping 2 cents out of my bonus money.
You are playing using their money right? Are you winning? That's the point of playing at Pacific I think. Get the bonus money, then rape those horrible players using Pacific's money, withdrawing your profits every now and then.
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You are playing using their money right? Are you winning? That's the point of playing at Pacific I think. Get the bonus money, then rape those horrible players using Pacific's money, withdrawing your profits every now and then.
well, it's a small sample size of only one session. but i made 18 bucks playing at the 0.5/1 tables. the competition is pretty weak. a lot of them are weak passive. they will fold if you show a lot of aggression, and if they play back at you most of the time you are beat. there's a lot less players ala party where they call down to the river with horrible 2 outters and beat you. grrrr!!!
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just to give you guys a general idea of how long it takes to clear the bonus...

i've play roughly 10 hours there, and of the $2000 wager requirements, i've cleared about 300 of the 2000.

yippy! another 40 hours playing there and i'll be able to cashout! this was all 0.5/1 and 1/2 limits btw.

i'll gladly play that much to clear the bonus here, the profits i can generate alone are enough to keep me coming back!
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I quit trying to clear the bonus at pacific, takes way to long . . .

as for the games I think they could be the softest on the net due to the large amount of casino players dabbling in poker. Almost all of the games i played there 1/2 - 3/6 were of the loose passive kind, just be prepared for some stinky beats.
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Old 10-29-2004, 06:43 PM #19 (permalink)  
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I quit trying to clear the bonus at pacific, takes way to long . . .

as for the games I think they could be the softest on the net due to the large amount of casino players dabbling in poker. Almost all of the games i played there 1/2 - 3/6 were of the loose passive kind, just be prepared for some stinky beats.
Agree, but your beats won't be nearly as bad or as often as Party. And the bonus doesnt take nearly as long as Pokerroom....I played 700 hands at 1/2 yesterday and I'm only 15% complete!

Pacific I'm at around 20% but i'm making more money playing the tables than I would clearing the bonus.


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OH MY GAUD!!! i cannot believe what crap these people play with!

i get dealt TT, preflop is capped after my raise, get reraised, i call, get reraised again....

flop comes giving me a got shot, capped
turn and i hit my straight, capped
river, capped

one of them folded on the river. the pot was 70 bucks by this time...

and the moment of truth....he flips over T2o. TEN TWO OFFSUIT!!!! what the hell is he doing capping every betting round??? so i split the pot with him, dazzled at the crap he played.

needless to say, i took 30 bucks off of him 2 hands later.
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 its got to be a weekend thing, i just saw a guy capping a flop with J9s.

Also saw 8 people in a capped preflop, unbelievable.

Saw someone calling a 3-bet on inside bicycle just to pull it out of his ass on the river (As he beat my top 2 pair )

What stakes you playing? You were probably at my table....haha


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i play 1/2 there....

another hand of crap worth mentioning....i get dealt K9s, called the bets. flop comes, hit the 9 pair with flush draw. i bet out, everyone calls. turn comes, another 9, i bet, everyone calls. river comes, i bet again, everyone calls. pot was 21 bucks at the end.

well the guy who won was calling bets all the way to the river on a gut shot...which came on the river. he had 82o...out of the blinds....jeez i wish pacific had a buddy list.
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 hehe, me too, whats your sn?


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