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GudSpeler
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09-05-2008, 08:53 PM
Post subject: Why can I see mucked showdowns on PStars?
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 37
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To me, this makes 0 sense, and just seems like a glitch, but I was told by another player that you're just allowed to see people's mucked cards after a showdown. Here's an example:
PokerStars Game #20171645094: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/09/05 16:38:19 ET
Table 'Oceax III' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: nate21 ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: Andy371 ($54.70 in chips)
Seat 3: my_gem ($102.90 in chips)
Seat 4: N_W_Child ($63.65 in chips)
Seat 5: kronenbourg2 ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 6: madnygreen ($54.80 in chips)
Seat 7: GudSpeler ($80.55 in chips)
Seat 8: bental ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 9: cpehh ($101.10 in chips)
cpehh: posts small blind $0.50
nate21: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GudSpeler [2d Ac]
Andy371: folds
my_gem: calls $1
N_W_Child: folds
kronenbourg2: folds
madnygreen: folds
GudSpeler: folds
bental: raises $3 to $4
cpehh: folds
nate21: calls $3
my_gem: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [7c 4c Kc]
nate21: checks
my_gem: checks
bental: bets $5
nate21: calls $5
my_gem: folds
*** TURN *** [7c 4c Kc] [3h]
nate21: checks
bental: bets $5
nate21: calls $5
*** RIVER *** [7c 4c Kc 3h] [7h]
nate21: checks
bental: bets $3
nate21: calls $3
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bental: shows [Qh Kh] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
nate21: mucks hand
bental collected $36.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $38.50 | Rake $1.80
Board [7c 4c Kc 3h 7h]
Seat 1: nate21 (big blind) mucked [6c 6h]
Seat 2: Andy371 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: my_gem folded on the Flop
Seat 4: N_W_Child folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: kronenbourg2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: madnygreen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: GudSpeler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: bental (button) showed [Qh Kh] and won ($36.70) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 9: cpehh (small blind) folded before Flop
To me, I shouldn't be allowed to see that Nate had 66. He mucked his cards. What would happen in a casino if somebody mucked their cards, but you went ahead and turned them over anyways? Anybody else have a bit of a beef with this? Of course now that I know this, I'll be clicking visualize for every mucked showdown to get a better read on the person.
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allabout
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: VA USA
Posts: 277
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The casinos I've been to, if you were involved in a hand (dealt cards) you have the right to see any hand that went to showdown, even if they muck. It rarely happens, but I have seen someone muck at showdown and someone else asked to see the cards. They called the pit boss over and he said the dealer has to show the cards.
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,837
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Allabout is right. and we all have software that allows us too see the mucked cards automatically after every hand by reading the HH itself. We also have every hand history saved in this same program and it will tell us his tendencies and stats.
Watch some of the FTR vids and you will see all this in action.
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
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I would also tend not to get bothered by anything that is the same for everybody. Same rules apply for them, they see your mucked cards.
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GudSpeler
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 37
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Ok, thanks for the explanation guys.
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triumphant cracker
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!!
Posts: 184
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i was not aware of that .. i have come across that same situation..
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