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Genitruc
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04-23-2006, 04:57 AM
Post subject: To Whore or Not to Whore (inspired by Renton)
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,463
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What do yall figure is more +EV : fish-searching on Party 6-max (nl 100) or suffering through a few more B2B 140€-200€ bonuses?
I remember Renton suggesting at one point that it might be more profitable to get paid off by the incredible amount of horrible players on Party than to nut-camp whoring for bonuses... I find myself agreeing with this more and more and am considering abandoning whoring for a while in order to stay on Party. Roll is currently 3.2k.
One other option would be to take up one of the bigger/slower bonuses (like Fulltilt)...
Thoughts?
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natdang
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Flush
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Los Angeles
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I've found that whoring is a good way to learn the game- that is, the bonuses will suck up all of your losses and you will probably still end up with a profit even if you are a losing player. Thus, while gaining experience, it helps a lot. Also, I whored my way through the martinspoker bonus, which became RIDICULOUSLY rock-infested and frustrating towards the end. But, it made me a better player, and taught me a little about handling rockfests/tight-aggressive tables. Man, when I switched over to party & paradise, it was cake. So yeah, you can make a killing on party, but as it said in an article I read in cardplayer magazine, lots of people are making killings as a result of soft tables. But in time, Darwinism will take over and the games won't be so soft anymore... at which point we all better be ready to play!
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Renton
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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i am right with you. I am playing 100nl on party right now, and making more than I would playing 100e nl on B2B with their awesome cool bonus. As for now, the whoring adventure is taking a hiatus and becoming the ring adventure until further notice.
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jacbmw
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Down Under
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its a good point, and something i have been pondering lately.
I am clearing the 120% bonus at betsafe at the moment at 50nl and find the game to be close to the party game.
Not a rock fest yet, i think it has something to do with the bonus maxing out at $120 so the 50nl < havent found it worthwhile.
Only minus is small number of players, and shitty software for multi-tabling.
worth a look though?
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Cocco_Bill
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sweden
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I don't know, whoring those 5x B2B bonuses has still been very profitable for me, although I think the games are a lot tougher than they used to be. The nicks in the below graph are the ones I had for Pointpoker(5x €600), PokerDandy(5x €400), Wasapoker(5x€600) and Asteriapoker(5x €400) for a total of €2000 in bonus money. I play about 400h/hr, so it took me 25k/400 = 62,5h to clear these for a profit of €2962+€2000 = €4962 ~= $6000. That gave me an hourly rate of $6000/62,5 = $96/h
BTW: I believe all those bonuses have become worse since I did them.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
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bonus whoring destroys even playing destroyable limits on good sites.
Build a bankroll as fast as possible and play bigger limits to make more cash. Imho that is done by turning up at site after site and just multitabling them to hell and cashing out the lump sum bonus.
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I would do the 400e+ bonuses on B2B and then move on. Party will always be there, but the huge B2B bonuses seem like a fad. In fact, I haven't seen any new B2B offers at 5x for over 400e since Wasa. I sorted through some things while whoring all these bonuses and any losses were covered. I made good profits on top of the bonuses overall. Toward the end things really came together as far as how to beat those players and it's carrying forward elsewhere.
Think about this. I cleared Wasa and Point in about 20 days. Just the bonuses alone gave me over $1500. I'd be on a hot streak if I did that without a bonus at 100NL on Party. I haven't played Party for 20 days straight but that's just a guess. If no other juicy bonuses appear over the next 20 or so days I'll know. The players there are quite poor.
In summary, take the free money while tuning your game and while it's offered. Party fish aren't going anywhere.
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EasyT
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Full House
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Location: Yo Mamma
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Ask yourself:
"What would EasyT do?"
:P
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Yeah I would be quick to gobble up these new 5x bonuses that are being offered at various B2B sites. I find it's best to whore one site at a time, since each site's games seem to have subtlties that require minor adjustments (such as B2B's 8-max PL/NL tables rather than 9 or 10 player tables).
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Cocco_Bill
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sweden
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A new 5x €600 B2B bonus just surfaced. Toprankedpoker.com
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Renton
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
bonus whoring destroys even playing destroyable limits on good sites.
Build a bankroll as fast as possible and play bigger limits to make more cash. Imho that is done by turning up at site after site and just multitabling them to hell and cashing out the lump sum bonus.
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I have doubled my bankroll in just over a week playing party sans bonus. Sure, I am running good, but I just don't think that I coulda done that at b2b.
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Hmmm. Jury's out for me right now. I have watched my brother take his stack from 1.4k to 3.2 k in 3 days 3-tabling 6 max NL50 and 100 (I think you've run into him Rent - his Party screenname is Ravageur111 and he's an annoying donk-brilliant lagg ). Scary thing is he is running good, not great and lost 8+ buy-ins on bad beats (ai preflop vs hilarious maniacs) during these 3 days.
Things just happen on Party that don't seem to happen anywhere else (like my reraise ai preflop w QQ that got called by Q10 and A9s for 200$ + last night). I say this knowing full well there are uber-fish all over but Party is simply unique...
That being said, can anyone update me on 5x B 2 B sites 400€ + bonuses still working? Best plan of attack might be to top off a couple of them before camping out at 100NL 6 max (comon EASY T I KNOW YOU CAN HELP ME HERE!)
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Renton
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
Hmmm. Jury's out for me right now. I have watched my brother take his stack from 1.4k to 3.2 k in 3 days 3-tabling 6 max NL50 and 100 (I think you've run into him Rent - his Party screenname is Ravageur111 and he's an annoying donk-brilliant lagg ).
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Haha ya, I am +300 or so vs Ravageur. He thinks its because I am better than him, but its just that I have managed to catch a monster +1 vs. his monster -1 in like 5 consecutive hands against him.
Running good is fun.
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,524
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Well, I started 200NL 6max on Party last night. I won 1.25 buyins, but should have won more as players are foolish. I'm torn now....wait...no I'm not. I just signed up for Top Ranked Poker. Thanks Coco_Bill. Free money is free money and B2B players seem to be trickier. I want to play against the tricker players while earning the bonus so when I go back to party it seems like such a joke again. At least if there are no tables I can just jump on party. This is $750 in free money.
Also, I took 2000 VIPs on Wasa Poker and won 100e for taking first place in a 20e SitNgo. I did that on Martins too. So, that's even more free money. If I had patience to play SNGs I would make B2B my home. They are the worst.
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Agreed r8ed. B2B sit n gos that I have played absolutely take the cake. If only they filled up quicker than one per 3 hours...
Am on TopRanked Poker myself. Good point about trickier players... Apparently I am not emotionally ready for 100 NL when whoring. Not sure what it is, but the bad beats just tear me up. Got rivered for 230€ last night and it absolutely killed me. I have gotten bad beat at final tables of multis and at 6 max party tables for considerably more money, so I don't quite understand this phenomenon, but bad beats while bonus whoring just seem a million times worse...
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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dvda
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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I’ve been whoring the last few weeks/months, and for me I’m leaning to, “Not To Whore”. That is until I work on my game some more, by including short handed LHE and learning to play NL.
Being a full ring limit player, whoring for me has been a struggle to find a table to play at, let alone find a passive table.
Paradise – easy bonus to clear, on soft tables, made lots of cash in the process.
River belle- only ever 1-2 limit tables available 35% seeing the flop, break even + bonus.
Bodog – LHE what’s that, had consistent bad luck here, down big time
CD poker – 3-4 + limit tables but super tight players, down but there is a long way to go.
I know now to scout out the poker room before going for the bonus. By this I mean visiting the site and looking at the traffic at the same times I normally play.
Bonus whoring is for me but without a short handed and NL game its not going to work for me at the smaller traffic sites.
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