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Staple Gun
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09-06-2005, 02:25 AM
Post subject: When exactly is the flop determined?
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Full House
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It is my understanding that the flop isnt determined until after all the preflop action is complete. This is designed to ensure there is no possible way to predict cards that will come. And since the random number generators almost always use something to do with a clock, or anything that constantly changes to determine a seed, then the flop all depends on exactly how long preflop actions take. So, this would mean that if I fold 55 preflop, and the flop comes 55A, it probably wouldnt have happened the same if I called, because it would have changed the timing (very slightly) and therefore changed the flop completely. Am I correct in this assumption?
So if I fold a hand that wouldve hit the flop hard, I can assure myself that the flop wouldn't have been the same if I called?
*note, I really dont want this to turn into another BS rigged card discussion. this is not what it is about.
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DoGGz
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POKER STARS IS RIGGED!!1!!1!!!!!
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outphase
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Full House
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I've read that the board is determined then the hole cards are figured out... do note, this is only what i've heard in speculation somewhere else online
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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AHiltz
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4-of-a-Kind
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Only the programmers would know (and the management) of that poker room would know. From a server load point of view, it would be impractical to radomze the flop,turn and then river after each step. It would be much faster to determine the entire hand outcome at the beginning.
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cantlosefastenough
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From the Ultimatebet website: ( http://www.ultimatebet.com/about-ub/rng.html )
4. Our shuffling algorithm samples the stream of random numbers that is generated only when a card needs to be dealt or the deck needs to be reset between hands, thereby interleaving samples from all running games.
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Staple Gun
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by cantlosefastenough
From the Ultimatebet website: ( http://www.ultimatebet.com/about-ub/rng.html )
4. Our shuffling algorithm samples the stream of random numbers that is generated only when a card needs to be dealt or the deck needs to be reset between hands, thereby interleaving samples from all running games. |
In english this means they wait until after the preflop action is done to determine the flop right?
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Staple Gun
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Full House
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midas06
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yes
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