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Xianti
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04-28-2004, 12:48 AM
Post subject: Viewing mucked cards at various poker rooms
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Toasty mentioned this briefly in another topic, but I wanted to bring it to your attention with its own topic.
At PartyPoker, when there is a showdown to the end and losers' cards are mucked, you can view these mucked cards immediately while you're still playing. In the upper-right corner of the table interface, you can click on "Last hand #..." and it will bring up a window listing all of the played hands in your current session.
Just find the hand that you're curious about. When unfolded losing cards are mucked, they show up in the hand history as "Player 1 did not show [Jc 3s]."
This is a great way of getting additional info about the players (What'd they call with? What'd they go all-in with?).
I have often caught players lying about what they had when asked afterwards. When I do, I will sometimes tell everyone they were lying and post the hand history line to prove it. This will often make them mad and they immediately go on tilt.
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Eric
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Xianti, I'm glad you posted this. I got a kick out of it when you mentioned it on the phone.
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Aces
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Great tip, Xianti! Thanks!
It's a pain to have to ask for a hand history, and then go look at the email, especially with a dial-up line.
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Bite
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I think that's wrong. Why let people know what someone mucked? They won't let you dig amongst mucked cards in a real card room so why do it on PP? That's giving away too much information to people not paying for it. If anyone wanna advertise their hand they have the option to do that but mucking the hand should actually mean mucking it. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is giving people a better read on your self as well. This is NOT in the best interrest of good card players imo.
Example:
I fold a hand and the other guy is mucking. I chech what he had. OKi he had pocket kings. Now I feel really good about folding to a superior hand. This should not be possible. Correct me if you guys think I'm wrong.
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Aces
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I posted in another thread, but my brother deals at a casino boat and said while frowned upon, you can ask to see other's cards if it goes to a showdown and they are not in the muck yet. I don't think they would let you do this on every hand or would prevent if it was abused.
In any event if PP lets you see other hands, I have no qualms taking advantage of it.
Xianti, does this work for tournament as well?
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Bite
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I wouldn't have any qualms about it either. I just think it's a bad thing for the game. It gives out information about players that shouldn't have been revealed. If a good player senses weakness from someone else and tries out a bluff and succeeds. Why should anyone be able to see what his hand was afterwards? You are allowed to LIE in a poker game! I think that's part of the fun and definitely a part of the game.
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Xianti
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Originally Posted by Bite
If a good player senses weakness from someone else and tries out a bluff and succeeds. Why should anyone be able to see what his hand was afterwards?
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If you mean seeing the successful bluffer's hand, this is not the case. Only losing mucked hands are shown. Uncontested winning hands are not shown.
This is not a glitch. It's a feature of PartyPoker's interface that many just don't know about. I have no problem with it.
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Xianti
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Originally Posted by Aces
Xianti, does this work for tournament as well?
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I'm not sure. I haven't tried it during a tourney yet.
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Bite
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Originally Posted by Xianti
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Originally Posted by Bite
If a good player senses weakness from someone else and tries out a bluff and succeeds. Why should anyone be able to see what his hand was afterwards?
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If you mean seeing the successful bluffer's hand, this is not the case. Only losing mucked hands are shown. Uncontested winning hands are not shown.
This is not a glitch. It's a feature of PartyPoker's interface that many just don't know about. I have no problem with it. |
Oki! Then it's a completely different thing. I thought you could get to see hands "instead" of calling. That would be a crucial blast to many aggressive players tactics.
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Toasty
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yes it works for tourney too, I always keep one open so i can check every pot that goes to showdown 
I'm fast to let the table know what someone called with two if they call with crap.
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robe43
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I don't know if I think that's fair but since it exists it is great information and I will be using it. Toasy and Xianti - I bet you must get quite a few people riled up doing that. I'd like to see what they type in the chat boxes after one of those
Thanks for the info!!
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Xianti
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Originally Posted by robe43
I'd like to see what they type in the chat boxes after one of those
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I usually just see a bunch of X's. I take that as a good sign for my game.
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heatman
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From http://www.all-poker-rules.com/poker...ules-book.html
A31. THE SHOWDOWN
If betting is over, the players show their cards to determine who has the best hand and wins the pot. A player may discard a hand without showing it, but any player in the deal has the right to see a discarded hand upon request, even if it has touched the muck. (A player should wait until a hand has actually been thrown away before asking to see it.) A hand winning the pot at the showdown by virtue of the opponent discarding his own hand without waiting to see it should still be shown to the table before the pot is awarded. The right of any player to examine the contents of a discarded hand at the showdown is not to be abused. A player using this right as a method of irritation should be warned to stop. If he does not heed the warning, he is subject to having the right revoked by the management.
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Xianti
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Great link, heatman. Thanks for that.
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zenbitz
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you actually don't even need to click, hand histories (both tourney and ring) and dumped directly to your hard drive.
Look in \Program Files\PartyPoker\HandHistory
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JeffreyGB
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This holds true in Ultimate Bet as well. Once the hand is over, click hand history (or load that hand if you already have the history window open). It'll show the mucked-at-showdown cards for a losing player.
- Jeffrey
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ChezJ
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Dudes, I'm surprised by this entire discussion. OF COURSE you can see mucked hands after a showdown, just like you can in a B&M casino. This was one of the very first things I discovered when I started playing online, and I always assumed EVERYONE who plays seriously does it.
If you play at FullTiltPoker, and you click on the "Last Hand" button, you actually get a PICTURE of all the hands that went to showdown, mucked or not. How is this a "hidden" feature?
This is a standard feature at all casinos, so use it. If your opponents are too clueless to realize it, that's their problem and your increased advantage.
When I sit down at a new table, I look at the muck after nearly every hand to take live notes on my opponents. I don't have PokerTracker, but I assume that program also uses the mucked hand information to track the behaviors of your opponents. How can it not? It's all right there in the hand history.
I love it when some bluffing jerk mucks his hand then claims he had aces cracked, yet the evidence is right there in black and white that he's lying.
One thing I should note is that if you are just observing and not playing at a table, you do not get to see the mucked hands.
ChezJ
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The original reason for the casino rule was to prevent cheating and collusion. If you suspected a player or players of cheating you in some way, you could ask to see a mucked hand after the fact to clear things up. The use of this allowance to gain insight into other people's play is frowned upon, and rightly so... the reason for having it online is a mystery to me, since the site is supposed to be monitoring any cheating or collusion already. But I'm not so high and mighty about it that I don't check it at every opportunity.
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Jason Moffatt
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This is not a glitch. It's a feature of PartyPoker's interface that many just don't know about. I have no problem with it.
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I would assume at least 80% of people on PP don't know this. Therefore
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If it;s not that widley known, you could start "telling people your reads" in the chat box after the hand is over and scare people to death.
"Kings are good..."-Marcel Luske
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Krotalus
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The same thing can be done on Poker Stars now too. It is interesting what some people go to showdown with.
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I never knew about this, but i am definately going to use it to my advantage. The last thing that i will do is give this little secret away to someone at my table by telling them what they had. I have been playing for a couple years, and i honestly didnt know that this rule existed. Thanks guys.
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Dunk
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At Absolute hitting the link will pop open your browser with the hand, and then you can go to the Previous/Next hand as desired.
So windows on one side, browser on the other, works out well.
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Note: new guy and very open to constructive criticism, so go ahead and weigh in! I'm here to learn.
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STIdrivr
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you can see mucked hands at showdown on poker stars too i believe.
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Berksmickey
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This is also true on Sun poker (formely caribbean sun) and its associated skins. I've been using it for ages now, and once or twice actually have done the suggested trick of "u played those Queens well" or something....very funny!
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