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10-03-2006, 05:36 PM
Post subject: Updates: Poker Rooms For U.S. Players
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We have compiled a list of poker rooms and their current policies in regards to U.S. players here:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/US-Frie...oker-Rooms.php
If you have new information on the status of any of these or other poker rooms, please post a reply below and include the source of your info.
Acceptable sources are official statements or articles citing statements or press releases, or emails from representatives of the poker rooms.
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Xianti
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Does anyone have an email or a statement from Doyles Room that shows that they intend to continue in the U.S. market?
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MiJ
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here's DB's response via email
Quote:
Hi,
Thank you for contacting The Doyle Brunson Poker Network. Please be
advised that we do not have any comments on the recent legislation to
ban online gaming until the issue has been clarified by the government.
It is business as usual here on our site. We will advise our players as
soon as this situation has been resolved
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natdang
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Dear natdang,
The account information that you have registered with Betfred lists you as residing in the United States of America.
Please be advised that, following the recent legislation, Betfred has regretfully had to take the decision not to accept any business through our website or call centre from any US citizen.
All Betfred accounts which we believe originate in the USA will be closed with immediate effect.
If you currently have funds with Betfred, we would be grateful if you would contact our Accounts department (accounts@betfred.com) to arrange for the balance to be repaid. Should you have any questions you can also contact our customer service team on 1-800 780 9364.
On behalf of Betfred, we would like to apologise for this inconvenience and thank you for your previous custom.
Kind regards
The Betfred Customer Service Team.
Not sure if this applies to the whole ipoker network or not, but probably.
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Xianti
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Originally Posted by natdang
Not sure if this applies to the whole ipoker network or not, but probably.
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You're right. Just announced:
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hey X, how about including neteller and other financial places in the list as well. Is it correct that neteller is going away also??
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Xianti
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Originally Posted by villagenut
Is it correct that neteller is going away also??
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They've only stated that they're waiting to see the new regulations.
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Xianti
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Bet365 is out...
http://www.eog.com/news/industry.aspx?id=9836
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Looks like Bet365's action is not necessarily a sign of all the Prima skins pulling out. Email from our affiliate manager at Battlefield Poker...
----- Original Message -----
From: Affiliate Management
To: Xianti
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: Battlefield Poker Support Issue
Hi
We are obviously looking into the matter but we currently have no plans to restrict activity from any countries that are not on our blacklist. The United States is not on this list.
Thanks
AM
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From: Xianti
Sent: October 4, 2006 11:29 AM
To: xxxxx@battlefieldpoker.com
Subject: Fw: Battlefield Poker Support Issue
Greetings, xxx.
I had sent the below email to your support department and received the same form letter that I got 2 days ago. Could you please address our specific concern as stated below?
Thank you.
Xianti
FlopTurnRiver.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Xianti
To: xxxxx@battlefieldpoker.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Battlefield Poker Support Issue
Hi.
Bet365, another Prima partner, has just announced today that they are pulling out of the U.S. market. I hope this isn't indicative of the entire Prima network.
Has Battlefield changed its stance?
Thank you.
Xianti
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I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but what steps should we as players take? Should we move money into these sites immediately? (are they going to stop accepting payments from debit cards, NT, etc at some point?)
What other steps are people taking in reaction to this?
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online br: $14,000, @400NL full ring, 100NL 6 max
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There's some threads in the commune that you can read.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...er=asc&start=0
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-44394.htm
Those are a couple, there are more once you get to that forum.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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CelebPoker's implementation of U.S. block...
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-44583.htm
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Didn't see Titan on the list but a friend of mine forwarded me this email today, blocking his name/email/ect.....
From: "Titan Poker" <support@titanpoker.com>
To: *****************************
Subject: Important announcement from Titan Poker to United States residents
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 14:49:21 -0400 (AST)
Dear ********,
Due to the recent passing of the Unlawful Gambling Enforcement Act by the United States Senate on September 30, 2006, and its imminent enactment as federal law, we will no longer allow real money gaming activities from United States residents.
We regret to inform you that, consequently, we are closing your gaming account at Titan Poker.
Your balance is available to you. You may access your account and request the withdrawal of such balance, subject to any conditions that might apply, including bonuses received.
We appreciate your patronage, and apologize for any inconvenience caused. We hope to be able to offer to you our services again in the future.
Robin Steele
Manager
Titan Poker
"Become A Legend At Titan Poker!"
http://www.Titanpoker.com
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Titan's listed.. see iPoker Network.
All the iPoker skins are pulling out.
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okay, but it's just the *real money games, right?
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Email From Hollywood
Dear *****,
On September 30th the US Senate passed a bill that would restrict US consumers’ ability to deposit funds to an online gambling business. HollywoodPoker is currently reviewing this recent development.
There are still many unanswered questions and we will notify you with any possible change in our policies or any restrictions in your ability to play on the site as the matter evolves.
There are three key items that we can tell you right now:
1. Your money is completely safe at HollywoodPoker. Your money is kept in a segregated account at one of the largest International banks.
2. You always have 24/7 access to your account funds. You will always be able to get to your money.
3. Your satisfaction is our primary goal and we will continue to keep you apprised of the situation and welcome your feedback. Please do not hesitate to contact us at the support forum
(http://forum.hollywoodpoker.com) or contact us by email at support@hollywoodpoker.com
Sincerely,
The HollywoodPoker Team
support@hollywoodpoker.com
www.HollywoodPoker.com
Where the "Stars" Come to Play
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10-07-2006, 07:52 PM
Post subject: Sunpoker's out!
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Sunpoker is out. See here:
http://www.sunpoker.com/customer_car...er_players.asp
I've also gotten several email responses from both sunpoker support and ecash direct support that confirm the following:
Content:
October 3rd, 2006.
Dear Poker Player,
I'm not sure if you're aware of the recent developments in US online gaming industry. In short, the US government has passed a law that would prohibit banks, credit card companies, and other financial institutions from processing gambling funds. This controversial act was attached to a popular and completely unrelated bill regarding Port Security early Saturday morning. In this way, the act was passed because representatives were more concerned with the major bill being made law and knew only in the final minutes of the attachment.
It does NOT make it illegal for US citizens to play online, however drastically affects your ability to enjoy your favorite poker and casino games by making it difficult to send and receive your deposits and winnings.
In light of these events, our software and ECash provider for SunPoker.com, CryptoLogic and ECashDirect, have made the decision to no longer service US registered accounts.
Consequently, all accounts with US based addresses will no longer be able to play in the casino or poker room as of 12PM EST today October 3rd.
All other accounts with non US based addresses will remain unaffected.
Your current available balance will be mailed to you via check in the coming days. Please allow 3 - 4 weeks for delivery.
Currently it is unclear as to the longer term ramifications of these events at CryptoLogic and should the position change, we will notify you.
In the meantime, we are hoping to make provisions so that you are able to continue to enjoy playing and enjoy the same levels of service and bonuses you've come to expect from us. We will keep you updated in the coming days so stay tuned to this website as well as your email.
Thanks for your time, and we do sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.
Regards
Adam
Poker Room Manager
http://www.sunpoker.com
adam@sunpoker.com
PS: We continue to maintain that it is your individual right to be allowed to play online responsibly in another form you see fit. We therefore invite you to contact your Congressman (or woman) to express your dismay as to not only the bill itself, but as to the underhanded way in which it was passed.
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PokerChamps too
Important Account Information
Dear ,
As part of the recent upgrade, PokerChamps has performed a system change that begins the process of moving to a new platform. We have also incorporated geo-location software which enables us to implement a long standing and consistent Group Company policy of not permitting access to individuals in the United States.
Your account has been identified as being a United States account and as a result has been permanently locked with immediate affect. If you have an outstanding balance in your PokerChamps account you will need to email SUPPORT@POKERCHAMPS.COM to arrange the withdrawal of these funds.
You can arrange a withdrawal via wire transfer, cashiers cheque or using any existing Neteller account you may hold.
We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all your contributions to the PokerChamps community, and we wish you all the very best in your poker playing future.
Yours Sincerely,
PokerChamps Management Team
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10-13-2006, 05:27 PM
Post subject: Royal Vegas Poker, a Prima Site, is out.
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Royal Vegas Poker e-mailed me today to tell me they can no longer do busieness with me now that bill is signed and told me I had to cash out. I cleared raked hands bonus yesterday so I hope they honor it.
it is with deep regret that we inform you that Royal Vegas Poker will stop accepting bets from our customers in MICHIGAN, as from mid-day, Eastern Standard Time, on October 13th.
The Safe Ports Act passed by the US Congress on Friday, September 29, makes the transfer or direct processing of money to online gaming institutions illegal in the USA.
As a result, Royal Vegas Poker has no choice but to lock your poker account, and return all cash balances to you via check, or your preferred method of payment.
Please log into your account as soon as possible and withdraw or play through any remaining cash balance you may have. Your poker account is: prvr15498726.
Any cash balances remaining in your accounts after Friday, October 13th will be returned.[/b]
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www.pokerandgolf.blogspot.com
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10-13-2006, 06:43 PM
Post subject: Re: [url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/Referrals/Royal-Vegas.
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Originally Posted by lzfsb3
Royal Vegas Poker e-mailed me today to tell me they can no longer do busieness with me now that bill is signed and told me I had to cash out. I cleared raked hands bonus yesterday so I hope they honor it.
it is with deep regret that we inform you that Royal Vegas Poker will stop accepting bets from our customers in MICHIGAN, as from mid-day, Eastern Standard Time, on October 13th.
The Safe Ports Act passed by the US Congress on Friday, September 29, makes the transfer or direct processing of money to online gaming institutions illegal in the USA.
As a result, Royal Vegas Poker has no choice but to lock your poker account, and return all cash balances to you via check, or your preferred method of payment.
Please log into your account as soon as possible and withdraw or play through any remaining cash balance you may have. Your poker account is: prvr15498726.
Any cash balances remaining in your accounts after Friday, October 13th will be returned.[/b]
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Does anyone know if this ban is for certain states, such as Michigan, or all of U.S.?
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word is ongame is pulling out too 
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=0#Post7653451
no official statement though. hollywood/pokerrom is a part of this network and they still seem to be on the fence? i've seen mixed reports.
edit:
directly from bwin website.
http://www.bwin.ag/page.aspx?view=adhocb_13_10_06
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10-13-2006, 09:39 PM
Post subject: Tripical Poker staying in
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For what it's worth (I don't play at Tropical for real money but got this email since I signed up when they were beta testing):
TROPICAL POKER.COM
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Official Policy Statement from Tropical Poker:On Friday September 30, 2006
the 109th sitting of the US Congress passed a Port Security Bill including a
rider that affected online gambling in the United States. Today, Friday
October 13, 2006, the President of the United States has signed this bill.
The hype surrounding this has suggested that it amounts to a ~Sban on online
gambling~R.
This information is totally incorrect.
Tropical Poker is a legally licensed and privately held company in the
country of Curacao, Antilles. As a privately held company we have no such
pressures placed upon us.
There will continue to be much confusion and misinformation caused by this
bill, as the parties involved attempt to decipher the exact meanings and
terms specified in this document.
It is our official position that the passing of the Port Security Bill does
not currently affect us, or our valued loyal players in any way. Our
operations have always been 100% legal under Curacao law and comply with all
the jurisdictions in which we carry out our operations.
Best Regards,
Management
Tropical Poker
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Full House
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hollywood's giving us 30 days, then out. also no more deposits from USA. (part of ongame)
here's their statement:
http://forum.hollywoodpoker.com/showthread.php?t=8837
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The President of the United States has signed new legislation that will cause HollywoodPoker to suspend accepting deposits from U.S. players and examine potential offerings to U.S. players that would be within the new law. Normal play will continue for approximately 30 days while we monitor any new developments surrounding this new legislation. During this time you will continue to have the ability to access your account as well as play HollywoodPoker games as you normally would, with the exception of making deposits. U.S. Free money play will not be affected.
All Non-U.S. players will not be affected. They will be able to access poker, Blackjack and soon to be launched casino and slot games, including progressive slots!
We understand that you may have a number of questions regarding this new action, please stay tuned for our Frequently Asked Questions section on the site to find out more.
We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for your cooperation and understanding.
Sincerely,
The HollywoodPoker Team
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10-14-2006, 08:43 PM
Post subject: Tower Poker
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Location: VA USA
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Just received this from Tower. Part of Pokerroom's network.
"Important Advisory for U.S. Players
On 30 September 2006 the US Senate passed the “SAFE Port Act” which also contains a section referred to as the “Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006”. As a result effective immediately Tower Gaming has no option but to suspend accepting deposits from U.S. players.
Important! For approximately 30 days from the 13th of October U.S. players who currently have accounts with real money funds will be allowed to continue normal play. During this time you will continue to have the ability to access your account as well as play at Tower Gaming as you normally would, with the exception of making deposits. U.S. Free money play will not be affected.
Please Note! If you have a Firepay account you must withdraw your funds BEFORE October 23rd. For all remaining US players you have until the 10th of November to cash out.
If you think this new law is unfair please voice your opinion by sending an mail to your U.S. Senators or by signing a repeal petition online.
Your Opinion Counts! Your Vote Counts! Make them listen!
Sincerely
Customer Service Representative
Tower Gaming "
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10-19-2006, 07:07 PM
Post subject: TruePoker will continue to welcome U.S players
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Thanks for the access to talk to your posters.
I have been posting pretty extensively on 2+2 and wanted to broaden our reach. We agree with some other sites that the poker business is not within the scope of the new Act, although reasoning from another basis:
A "Poker Business" does not play poker, bet or wager.
The first element which would subject a poker site, or anyone else, to prosecution under the UGIE Act Section 5363 would require proof that such site is a “person engaged in the business of betting or wagering”
A hypothetical argument that poker sites are such persons whose acceptance of deposits falls under the Act would state might follows:
"The customer is making a bet (by definition) when instructing an Internet gambling site to move funds to, or from his account. The site is taking the bet and in the business of betting."
This statement misunderstands the business model of poker sites in the first instance and as a threshold matter ignores the required allocation of risk in the definition of a bet or wager.
Betting or wagering involves the direct assumption of risk by the actor, this is the essential element of the definition written into the UIGE Act. Similarly, "betting" or "wagering" are verbs, they describe the act itself, not its recordation for settlement of risk once the outcome of some game or hand is known.
(That the game/tournament "outcome" is determined by skill or not or is subject to chance does not affect how where the risk of the outcome is allocated.)
The argument for coverage of poker sites begins:
"The customer is making a bet (by definition) when instructing an Internet gambling site to move funds to, or from his account."
That customer instruction is not a bet. An instruction to move funds to an account is part of the deposit activity; conversely, an instruction to move funds from an account is a cashout activity.
This is not nit-picking, it is important to look at the elements as legislated. UIGE for example covers only accepting of credit-based deposits electronically, it does not cover cashouts. Under Section 5363 only certain described persons may not accept credit-based deposits electronically. The issue for poker sites is a review of whether they are persons whose acceptance of deposits electronically is prohibited by the UIGE. Is a poker site’s business on of “betting or wagering” ?
Acceptance of a deposit itself by a site cannot be deemed making a bet or wager by the site. There is no "game" risk associated with either a deposit or cashout movement, as there is no pending outcome or game. Neither instruction to deposit or cashout involves a risk or bet or wager, (leaving aside credit risk of the site, processor, or bank). The customer decision to take funds to a game is simply a conversion to game chips. Again, no risk is involved.
When is a bet or wager made ? When someone plays poker ? Who is making the bets, the players or the dealer ?.
This series of seemingly rhetorical questions is important to understanding the poker business. Once the customer/player is seated, the game begins for him. Prior to this point, there is no bet or wager. The player THEN first makes a bet, assuming a risk on the outcome of the game. No one except for the players in the game assumes any risk from the outcome of the game. No one else is making any bet or wager. The site has no stake in the outcome of a hand/game/tournament.
The argument for coverage concludes: "The site is taking the bet and in the business of betting."
Because the business of a poker site does not include an assumption of risk on a game outcome, that "business" never bets or wagers. The poker site is not betting or wagering itself; that much is clear as it assumes or takes no risk on the outcome of a game.
So, does "taking" a bet, whatever that means to the argument, include any allocation of "game" risk to the site? The answer is clearly no. What a poker site does is deal out cards and record players' bets or wagers, for settlement once an outcome is known.
The words "betting or wagering" are verbs; bet and wager are defined in the UIGE to include an element of risk-taking by the actor on the outcome of a game. Because the "business" of a poker site does not include any assumption of risk on a game outcome, that "business" never bets or wagers.
Very differently, a sports bookie who "takes" a sports bet is assuming the risk on the outcome of a game. A sports bet is bi-lateral, made between the player and the sports bookie, with each taking on the risk attendant to the outcome of a game. While a sports bookie also incidentally records and settles bets, the bets are his own and a bookies' assumption of game risk is glaringly different from the poker business model. The economics of the sports betting business directly involve the sports book taking the opposite risk from its customers. (The function of the point spread provides a simple example of the assumption and role of risk in a sports betting business: The point spread is the sports book's offer of its terms to a customer to engage in a bilateral bet, and the line's function is to balance customer demand for these bi-lateral bets to lay off the sports book's direct risk from a series of bilateral bets the sports book has made on both sides of a possible outcomes of a game and wager.)
Turning to UIGE Section 5363, what persons are prohibited from accepting credit-based deposits electronically ? The Act says "a person engaged in the business of betting or wagering". Is that a sportsbook, yes. Is that an online casino offering blackjack, yes. Is that a poker business, which never takes any "game" risk, no.
Put another way, sports bettors and sports betting businesses both bet or wager. Poker players play poker and bet or wager, poker sites do not play poker
TruePoker is not in the business of betting or wagering. We have no stake in the outcome of any game or tournament among players.
Although TruePoker believes that the UIGE Act of 2006 does not cover our business, US players may reside in certain States described as one in which it may be illegal for you to play online poker. Please check with your local attorney to determine whether your State laws prohibit your playing poker online.
If you at one time resided in one of the States listed below and have a TruePoker Account, we ask that you log onto TruePoker and check your listed location information. If you have relocated out of that State, to some other State, where playing poker online is not illegal, please update your information and mailing address.
If you have not changed your residence from the State which appears on our list, it would be imprudent for us to accept further deposits for your account and possibly illegal for you to play. Please check with your local attorney to determine whether your State laws prohibit your playing poker online.
Please contact Support@truepoker.com if you need assistance in correcting your location information.
States where it may be illegal for you to play online poker from your own home:
Indiana
Oregon
Washington
Louisiana
Illinois
Other States may also be affected, please check our website for updates.
We encourage affected players to vote on November 7, 2006 and to express their displeasure at this interference with their right to the pursuit of happiness and their freedom to play poker.
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Great post - Makes me wonder about some other sites right now...
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