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12-31-2007, 12:00 AM
Post subject: Stars using Image/Word verification system to prevent bots
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4-of-a-Kind
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sooo I'm playing today and notice an image in the chatbox which i have to type the words for to keep playing, and I have 100 seconds. Annoying but I guess its a good idea? Only had to type it once for all my tables
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bigred
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kinda old news but let me reemphasize
bankitdrew = fuct
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LOL OPERATIONS
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Numbr2intheWorld
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kinda seems dumb. Now the bots will just have to add a program that will type in the chat for them when the message comes up
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Halv
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Now the bots will just have to add a program that will type in the chat for them when the message comes up
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If the botmaker can do that then he doesnt have to run poker bots to get rich.
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bigred
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Originally Posted by HalvSame
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Originally Posted by Massimo
Now the bots will just have to add a program that will type in the chat for them when the message comes up
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If the botmaker can do that then he doesnt have to run poker bots to get rich. |
agreed
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LOL OPERATIONS
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mixchange
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old news? never seen it on PS and played like 50k hands this month
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by Massimo
kinda seems dumb. Now the bots will just have to add a program that will type in the chat for them when the message comes up
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even if that were the case, and it would be a challenge in itself, it's nice to see that stars is taking proactive measures to prevent cheating. There are a lot of other examples as well in the recent past.
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JinxT4
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es-t64494.html
I wonder what they use to determine who gets these anti-bot messages (i.e. strictly number of tables, number of hands, etc.)?
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Setzy
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I got one of these earlier in ths month. It actually made me happy, because that means Stars cares enough to check for bots.
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Save your stories 'cuz they're all the same..
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BankItDrew
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<~~~~ twice :P
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
<~~~~ twice :P
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Tell me what this says BOT!
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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BankItDrew
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lol
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FedorE
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Hi, I am new to FTR (not technically... long time reader.. first time poster) . I am very curious about this word verification, I've been getting it everyday for the last 2 weeks.. it is getting annoying! I am trying to figure out what sets it off (obviously pokerstars wouldnt assist me with this). I only play 2-4 tables at a time, but I play long sessions (not long compared to some of you... usually 6hours or so) . I don't use any stats programs or anything.
How many table do you guys usually play at once? or hands per month?
I definitely play more then 50k hands a month.
Also I use the default size table, I wonder if this is something that also might set it off? if you multi table with normal size tables?
Blah, I dont know.. I just want it to go away! It's so annoying. I mean, I suppose its good that its there, but I dont understand why I keep getting hit by it.
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FedorE,
try emailing support, I doubt anyone here knows the answers.
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FedorE
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Thanks for the reply ISF. I did email support they basically told me they couldnt help me (which is actually understandable).. if they told me what was setting it off, it would kind of defeat the purpose of having it.. so unfortunately I am on my own.. I think I am going to reinstall windows just incase some 3rd party software I have is setting it off.. I dont know, its just getting really annoying.
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AKQJ
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I have a few questions regarding poker bots. I found some free poker bots that claim they are 100% guaranteed to be undetectable by the internet poker sites. Is this true? I don't think the poker rooms can't detect a bot. The same free poker bots state that "You are not allowed to use the poker bot on poker sites where robotic software is prohibited. You are responsible for investigating whether the use of the poker bot is allowed or not." From all I know all poker sites prohibite the use of robotic software.
Why are those bots free? They say it's a win-win situation, but I don't understand what they gain from not selling them.
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by AKQJ
I have a few questions regarding poker bots. I found some free poker bots that claim they are 100% guaranteed to be undetectable by the internet poker sites. Is this true? I don't think the poker rooms can't detect a bot. The same free poker bots state that "You are not allowed to use the poker bot on poker sites where robotic software is prohibited. You are responsible for investigating whether the use of the poker bot is allowed or not." From all I know all poker sites prohibite the use of robotic software.
Why are those bots free? They say it's a win-win situation, but I don't understand what they gain from not selling them.
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They gain full access to the computer of every sucker that falls for this.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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martindcx1e
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here's a maybe stupid question...why do the image verifications on various sites have to be so jumbled and hard to read? a bot can't really decipher an image anyways right so what's the point?
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by FedorE
Thanks for the reply ISF. I did email support they basically told me they couldnt help me (which is actually understandable).. if they told me what was setting it off, it would kind of defeat the purpose of having it.. so unfortunately I am on my own.. I think I am going to reinstall windows just incase some 3rd party software I have is setting it off.. I dont know, its just getting really annoying.
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you are reinstalling windows to prevent having to type an image into a box at most once a day?
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JinxT4
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
here's a maybe stupid question...why do the image verifications on various sites have to be so jumbled and hard to read? a bot can't really decipher an image anyways right so what's the point?
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Actually, bots can apparently defeat image verification aka CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart).
Quick excerpt from the article:
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Originally Posted by PC Magazine
RMG's software—and others like it—can apparently not only defeat CAPTCHA but actually perform the process faster than most people can. (That's quite a trick, since it means fixing the text so it's readable, OCR-ing it, and then typing it into the provided field). So the safeguard that was supposed to prove we're human is now being done by a nonhuman at superhuman speeds. Ah, the irony.
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Link to the article (seems somewhat relevant here):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...0/ai_n21071065
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by JinxT4
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
here's a maybe stupid question...why do the image verifications on various sites have to be so jumbled and hard to read? a bot can't really decipher an image anyways right so what's the point?
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Actually, bots can apparently defeat image verification aka CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart).
Quick excerpt from the article:
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Originally Posted by PC Magazine
RMG's software—and others like it—can apparently not only defeat CAPTCHA but actually perform the process faster than most people can. (That's quite a trick, since it means fixing the text so it's readable, OCR-ing it, and then typing it into the provided field). So the safeguard that was supposed to prove we're human is now being done by a nonhuman at superhuman speeds. Ah, the irony.
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Link to the article (seems somewhat relevant here):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...0/ai_n21071065 |
wow that's amazing. i guess the machines are taking over...
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by FedorE
Thanks for the reply ISF. I did email support they basically told me they couldnt help me (which is actually understandable).. if they told me what was setting it off, it would kind of defeat the purpose of having it.. so unfortunately I am on my own.. I think I am going to reinstall windows just incase some 3rd party software I have is setting it off.. I dont know, its just getting really annoying.
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you are reinstalling windows to prevent having to type an image into a box at most once a day? |
Oh, he will get caught
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Jack Sawyer
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A better verification:
example
"add a plus between these. what's the answer?
2 25"
I wanna see a bot answering that!
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
here's a maybe stupid question...why do the image verifications on various sites have to be so jumbled and hard to read? a bot can't really decipher an image anyways right so what's the point?
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Yeah it's actually not too hard to make scripts to do these.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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FedorE
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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by Lukie
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Originally Posted by FedorE
Thanks for the reply ISF. I did email support they basically told me they couldnt help me (which is actually understandable).. if they told me what was setting it off, it would kind of defeat the purpose of having it.. so unfortunately I am on my own.. I think I am going to reinstall windows just incase some 3rd party software I have is setting it off.. I dont know, its just getting really annoying.
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you are reinstalling windows to prevent having to type an image into a box at most once a day? |
Oh, he will get caught |
Oh please, shut up. If I were making a bot I'd run it on another site that has rakeback and no security.. why would I want to run it on stars, when I could run it on some European site that is alot softer, has rakeback, no security???
In reply to Lukie, I reinstall windows pretty often, so its not a big deal to me, also I am not really concerned about typing in an image once a day (altho it is annoying), my main concern is stars thinks I'm a bot, and I don't want them to think that .. one day I'll mistype the image and they'll seize me funds or something 
In reply to Jack again, if you think having something like 25+2 will prevent bots that can read the image you are a fool... you think if a bot could read it, they wouldnt be able to solve simple problems?? Reading it would be the only hard part, what you have to do with the info after (solve a math problem) wouldnt be an issue.
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Originally Posted by FedorE
my main concern is stars thinks I'm a bot, and I don't want them to think that .. one day I'll mistype the image and they'll seize me funds or something |
Yeah, because the one thing Stars hates more than bots is typos.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by FedorE
Reading it would be the only hard part
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Obviously, that is the whole point
Bots can't interpret as well as (most) humans do, what is called "common sense", at least not until the Terminator-era
We need a captcha that the bot can't can't decipher, therefore while the bot will read the data, it won't know what the hell to do with it
Oh, and btw, you will get caught
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I'm pretty sure that if someone emails support and suggests you may be a bot they will trigger it.
I've had it happen only once while i was 24 tabling...
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