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paulwright
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08-14-2006, 04:11 AM
Post subject: Rakeback or bonuses?
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Hi all, curently going along nicely at NL100 at my own pace with a 3.7k roll. For the first time in ages I have no bonuses to clear - its a nice feeling strangely.
But honestly, I cannot get excited about the thought of another bonus chase on an unfamiliar site with some time limit adding pressure. Also, the bonus amounts available seem weak compared to the BB/100 playing at my favourite sites considering you never know how rocky the bonus sites may be (like I found B2B) or how annoying the software.
I am considering entering the world of rakeback...
Questions...
1. Is NL100 worthwhile for rakeback? Should I wait until NL200 or higher?
2. I am willing to start new accounts - any recommendations on the best sites for rakeback in conjunction with BB/100? My current site of choice is Paradise.
3. Otherwise should I stick to bonuses or play at the sites I find most profitable?
Thanks in advance guys....
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LimpinAintEZ
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go for the rakeback - hands down - even 25NL rakeback makes a nice monthly difference -
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even 25NL Rakeback makes a nice monthly difference -
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not really...
It really depends on how many hands you play per month/ what % rb you're getting, but rb at 100nl isn't too bad. Certainly better than changing sites every 2 weeks that's for sure.
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bigspenda73
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How do you feel this applies to lhe Midas? What level would you suggest to stop whoring and swith to rakeback there?
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paulwright
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Sorry big spenda - I would like a few more answers to my question before you hijack this thread...  peace...
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bigspenda73
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TerryToma
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Originally Posted by LimpinAintEZ
go for the rakeback - hands down - even 25NL rakeback makes a nice monthly difference - |
What sort of numbers are you getting at 25NL? I was told that it wasnt worth my time, but I play quite a lot.
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Doublethe7
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Some of the rakeback affiliates have rakeback calculators. It's not completely exact but it can give you rough estimate what you can expect.
At some site you can earn rakeback and bonuses, e.g. absolute poker if you don't mind playing on a "rocky" site.
Take a look at www.rakerebatereview.com to find an affiliate that fits your needs, FTR is also offering rakeback deals.
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RB can be profitable at 100nl foh shizzle.. Just get a decent %, play lots, and even if youdo bad just live off your RB. But at 25nl you'll make like $20 every 10k hands.
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Miffed22001
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bonuses > rb at <100nl or if your br is below 5k or you dont play a whole lot.
otherwise rb is best for heavy 100nl+ players and definatly for lhe players playing 3/6 or more. saying that rb/bonuses clear well at 2/4 3/6 anyway so if the games suck bonus whoring works there too.
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LimpinAintEZ
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i've been getting $40-50 a month in rakeback and i don't even play that much - So if you can get 2 buy ins a month, at as little as 25NL, you can certainly make it worth your while to get rakeback....getting anything back makes a difference - Also, when I signed on for Rakeback at FullTilt, I still got the sign up bonus, so I was getting both (granted, the FT bonus is tough)
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I get $60-$100 rakeback playing 4-6k hands a month (£25NL though for rb/bonus terms it's the same as $25), plus $100 bonus on top of that. You really think it's not worth it?
The sums:
If I run at 8PTBB/100 and play 5,000 hands of $25NL, I make $200 at the tables and $80 from rakeback. 40% more. Seems pretty obvious to me.
(the sums are even better if you're a breakeven player - $0 profit, $80 rakeback)
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paulwright
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Are you allowed to say what sites you are at - or what you recommend? There is good info at rakebackreview - but recommendations are better...
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check his location under his name
it is probably the interpoker site
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Tycho
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Not too sure, but at Full Tilt, doesn't the amount of bonus you make come out of your rakeback? Like, if I earned the full $600 bonus, and also made $1000 rakeback, I would only get the $600 bonus, and $400 rakeback?
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Check out battlefield poker rakeback offered by FTR. It's a whopping 50% (they just upped it). That's the Prima network which isn't bad and there's no 3rd party to deal with. You can cash it in whenever you want - daily if you choose. It's in your account page automatically. Plus, FTR gets a piece. They deserve it.
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TerryToma
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Originally Posted by LimpinAintEZ
i've been getting $40-50 a month in rakeback and i don't even play that much - So if you can get 2 buy ins a month, at as little as 25NL, you can certainly make it worth your while to get rakeback....getting anything back makes a difference - Also, when I signed on for Rakeback at FullTilt, I still got the sign up bonus, so I was getting both (granted, the FT bonus is tough) |
Hey you are just full of great advice. Full tilt is high up there in terms of # of ring players according to pokerscout. Is the play softer there or pokerroom pot-limit? Also, any idea how many hands i took you to clear FT bonus at 25NL?
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bigspenda73
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So I was on a certain rakeback site and using their calculator it looks like rakeback is certainly the way to go. The two biggest sites they advertised for had very large sign up bonuses, however, the generated rake deducted from the bonus. Even still, it looked like if you were a dedicated player at a decent level playing 20K hands a month you could really play break even poker and win a ton of money. That's just one mans opinion tho
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Miffed22001
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bonuses come out out of your mgr i think (total rake generated per month) and then you get a percentage cut of what is left.
The prima deal is great (their are however better ones  ) for that network.
What exactly are you looking for? If you want good games you may have to bonus whore while playing good sites, but if you want rb generally you have to play on tighter sites. Their are a few exceptions but generaly its like that.
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tommyd7878
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WPEX 100% rakeback.
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slickslack
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
So I was on a certain rakeback site and using their calculator it looks like rakeback is certainly the way to go. The two biggest sites they advertised for had very large sign up bonuses, however, the generated rake deducted from the bonus. Even still, it looked like if you were a dedicated player at a decent level playing 20K hands a month you could really play break even poker and win a ton of money. That's just one mans opinion tho |
It's been my experience that these calculators are notoriously misleading.
But even still, rakeback is the way to go even as low as 50nl, because with the added cash from rb, you'll be at 100nl in no time anyways where it really starts to add up.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by tommyd7878
WPEX 100% rakeback.
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wpex sucks.
games suck horribly from what i saw and the added bonus of 100%rb didnt make up for crappy games.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
So I was on a certain rakeback site and using their calculator it looks like rakeback is certainly the way to go. The two biggest sites they advertised for had very large sign up bonuses, however, the generated rake deducted from the bonus. Even still, it looked like if you were a dedicated player at a decent level playing 20K hands a month you could really play break even poker and win a ton of money. That's just one mans opinion tho |
It's been my experience that these calculators are notoriously misleading.
But even still, rakeback is the way to go even as low as 50nl, because with the added cash from rb, you'll be at 100nl in no time anyways where it really starts to add up. |
ugh. I sorta disagree but not totally. If you can put in 30k hands per month then certainly at any limit rb is the way to go. Certainly a heavy duty 100nl+ player MUST have rb imo, it just adds upto 1k+ and more per month.( i dont even wanna know how much Itdepends turns over in mgr per month )
However, you can sit and play 1k raked hands on prima on multiple sites for $100 a shot (rb is worth no where near the same amount if you know how to work it ofc!) The same applies to b2b (hahaha americans!) where you get sign up bonuses that can work out far better than rb (works the same too because you have to wait 30days for the bonus)
6months ago, you could bonus whore your way to 5k in 3months or so (probably 40-50k hands, maybe a bit more) Now you can reach 2.5k and be rolled for 100nl in a month (30k hands?)but a lot of the good bonuses beyond say prima and certain b2bs have gone, making bonus whoring worth it to start with, but useless/fairly useless thereafter.
Id also add that i see a lot of players totaly overrolled for the 50nl and 100nl games (even 25nl for that fact) and that no matter how many leaks you have in your game, if you can set farm and bonus whore you can get a br for 100nl in no time and then start to improve your skills when you get there. the difference between 100nl and 25nl is negligible imo, if you dont go bust on tptk and know how to flop a set.
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tommyd7878
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Originally Posted by tommyd7878
WPEX 100% rakeback.
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wpex sucks.
games suck horribly from what i saw and the added bonus of 100%rb didnt make up for crappy games. |
Never plaeyd there so I guess I should not be endorsing it just pointing out that it is probably the best RB system, in case someone did not know.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by tommyd7878
WPEX 100% rakeback.
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wpex sucks.
games suck horribly from what i saw and the added bonus of 100%rb didnt make up for crappy games. |
Never plaeyd there so I guess I should not be endorsing it just pointing out that it is probably the best RB system, in case someone did not know. |
Its a good concept, but i think It cant last because wpex expect to make money from people sports betting/playing casino's etc, Not playing Poker (bye bye 20million a day in rake like party)
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