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jandkmcd
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09-13-2005, 04:35 AM
Post subject: Possible Scam/Collusion on Major Poker Site -- Need Help
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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I've run into an odd situation on a major poker site (one of the top 4 sites)
To make a long story short--- I noticed on the (1 on 1) 7 card stud area that there were multiple tables open on all betting levels (8/16, 4/8, 2/4) with only one player waiting for a challenger. I watched for several days and the same usernames (all were sharks i'm asssuming) were always there, unless they had found a challenger (a fish I assume). These guys are winning tons of $ off of these so called fish. I'm fairly new to poker playing about a year....does this happen often?
I emailed the site and they basically have blown me off at least twice now, which really pisses me off, and makes me want to press the issue.
What they are doing is for example: player A logs on and another table opens up even though that first table isn't full, then player B does the same, then C, etc, etc....so there are 4 ro 5 tables with just one player on them. I'm assuming some of these players may be the same person or at the very least have made a pact not to play each other.
I'm not a conspiracy guy at all trust me. But this seems very odd. Especially when I brought it to the sights attention and they really didn't seem to care. I know the easy thing to do is to just steer clear of these guys but what about the people that haven't noticed, I feel they are being taken advantage of bigtime. Maybe I'm blowing the whole thing out of proportion.
The wayI see it though another table shouldn't open until the 1st table is full and so on and so on. Right now the way it' s set up you've got lots of sharks just waiting for a dumb fish to come along....i think there should be at least some semi-random approach to stop this.
It makes me very nervous b/c if i've noticed this small time deal what else is happening. I get the feeling the site might be involved somehow b/c of their lacadasical response.
Any views on this would be greatly appreciated...
Thanks
P.S. If I haven't recieved a decent response from the site in a few days I'll post the emails i've sent and give you the name of the site and you will see how wierd this really is.
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BoondockSaint
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just tell us the name of the site anyway
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vqc
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so essentially wat ur saying is that:
at all of these HU tables, there is always someone sitting there.
then someone joins that table and gets Ninja'ed for all of his money.
and you think this is some sort of scam by the poker site.
Is this phil ivey on full tilt by any chance?
Hes like the first black poker ninja.
NINJA!
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Greedo017
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i see what you're saying, but i actually disagree. there should always be free tables, you shouldn't be forced to only play at a full table if you don't want to. those guys like playing 1 on 1 or in small games only. if others want to come start up a full game they certainly can.
the poker room isn't going to care that there are a bunch of fish getting their money taken... what do you want them to do
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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Irisheyes
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Basically your point is that fish are loosing their money to sharks. Isn't that whats supposed to happen?
People cant be forced to play at full tables, the poker room shouldn't and wont change this.
Are you suggesting that these 'sharks' should be punished somehow for playing good poker and winning money?
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jandkmcd
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Originally Posted by Greedo017
i see what you're saying, but i actually disagree. there should always be free tables, you shouldn't be forced to only play at a full table if you don't want to. those guys like playing 1 on 1 or in small games only. if others want to come start up a full game they certainly can.
the poker room isn't going to care that there are a bunch of fish getting their money taken... what do you want them to do
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yes, there should always be a free table, but what is happening is for example: in 2/4 7 card stud one on one there are 6 tables open 5 with one person on them and one with nobody on it----there are 5 tables sitting there with one player each on them ---- i think there should be 3 tables --- 2 on two tables playing each other and one table with one person waiting for a challenger --- The same people are ALWAYS lying in wait on these tables!! They never play each other!!
Is this the standard way it is run on other sites?
Is it done the way they are doing it at other sites?
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BoondockSaint
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turn on animal planet - u dont see sharks eating each other do you
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UG
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No silly, sharks eat fish.
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Nehmer
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This is just an example of good players using good table selection. If you want to play some 1 on 1 7-card stud and you logged on to find 3 people with tables open for you to join, but you have played all 3 before and know that they are excellent players, wouldn't it be smarter for you to just join the 4th table that nobody is at and wait for a fish to join your table? There is really no reason for the sharks to be playing break-even poker vs each other and losing to the rake if they can instead just wait for a fish to come and give them their money. This isn't a conspiracy or collusion by the players where they have agreed not to play each other....they just all know better than to play somebody else that is good.
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CCIE SOON
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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Is this a joke? WHat if you REALLY wanted to play 2/4 7-Stud 1 on 1, but everytime you log on, you only have 3 tables to choose from, and NinjaShark (who just happens to clean your ass out EVERY time you sit with him), happens to be waiting for you at every table. Why would you not want to ability to jump into an empty table and hope to get an opponent who doesnt take you to the woodshed? I guess by your examples, H@LL is a scamming, colluding shark. Because most of the time when i check the 10/20NL tables, he seems to be sitting on every table, cleaning peoples clocks.
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cowboyardee
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I think I see what you're saying, but I don't see why sharks (assuming that's what they are) should be forced to play together.
If I see someone from FTR at a table and decide not to play there, that's not collusion. That's just me having the good sense to know that too many people on FTR are as good or straight-out better than me.
Why play good players when there are bad ones with just as much money to take?
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metaxy6
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If it's UB, then players get extra points for starting a game. That would explain it.
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EasyT
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Originally Posted by cowboyardee
If I see someone from FTR at a table and decide not to play there, that's not collusion. That's just me having the good sense to know that too many people on FTR are as good or straight-out better than me.
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You should really give this a try. It's WAY more fun to play with FTR friends. I'm not saying to move up to NL$200 and butt-heads with Fnord. I'm saying that if you play NL$50, and see FTR'rs at a table, JUMP IN. You're playing the same limit because you have comparable skillz, man. FTR folks are pretty stand-up IMO.
EasyT
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cowboyardee
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Originally Posted by cowboyardee
If I see someone from FTR at a table and decide not to play there, that's not collusion. That's just me having the good sense to know that too many people on FTR are as good or straight-out better than me.
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You should really give this a try. It's WAY more fun to play with FTR friends. I'm not saying to move up to NL$200 and butt-heads with Fnord. I'm saying that if you play NL$50, and see FTR'rs at a table, JUMP IN. You're playing the same limit because you have comparable skillz, man. FTR folks are pretty stand-up IMO.
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You've convinced me -- I'll give it a try, but only if the stakes are low enough.
And probably not against AoK cuz I'm convinced even if we played 25NL, he'd still end up owning my cat by the end of it.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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And probably not against AoK cuz I'm convinced even if we played 25NL, he'd still end up owning my cat by the end of it.
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My cat would be the first thing in the pot.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Staple Gun
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Originally Posted by BoondockSaint
turn on animal planet - u dont see sharks eating each other do you
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No, I see a parrott being attacked by red ants. Whats ur point?
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by Staple Gun
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Originally Posted by BoondockSaint
turn on animal planet - u dont see sharks eating each other do you
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No, I see a parrott being attacked by red ants. Whats ur point? |
That rules. The parrot has no f'kn chance
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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