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Overview of the VIP Levels PokerStars has various VIP levels that have increasing levels of benefits in terms of your FPP multiplier and what level bonuses you can receive. This is an overview of those levels: BronzeStar - This is the level everyone starts with. Here you get 1 FPP for every 1 VPP you earn. SilverStar - This level requires you to make 1,500 VPPs in a calendar month, and this status stays with you until at least the end of the following month. Here you earn 1.5 FPPs for every 1 VPP you earn. GoldStar - This level requires you to make 4,000 VPPs in a calendar month, and this status stays with you until at least the end of the following month. Here you earn 2 FPPs for every 1 VPP you earn. PlatinumStar - This level requires you to make 10,000 VPPs in a calendar month, and this status stays with you until at least the end of the following month. Here you earn 2.5 FPPs for every 1 VPP you earn. Supernova - This level requires you to make 100,000 VPPs in a calendar year, and this status stays with you until at least the end of February of the following year. Here you earn 3.5 FPPs for every 1 VPP you earn. Supernova Elite - This level requires you to make 1,000,000 VPPs in a calendar year, and this status stays with you until at least the end of February of the following year. Here you earn 5 FPPs for every 1 VPP you earn. (Source: http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/tiers/) Overview of the VIP Bonuses There are four distinct VIP bonuses, not counting the milestone bonuses which are covered in the next section. Here is an overview of the VIP bonuses that lists how much the bonus is, how many FPPs it costs, which VIP level it's available for, what the $/FPP value is, what the $/VPP value is if you clear the bonus at its respective level, and how many VPPs you have to get after you buy the bonus to have it released into your account (you keep these VPPs, by the way). $50 for 5,000 FPPs - Available to SilverStar or higher, $0.01/FPP, $0.015/VPP. (350 VPPs to clear) $285 for 25,000 FPPs - Available to GoldStar or higher, $0.0114/FPP, $0.0228/VPP. (1,995 VPPs to clear) $650 for 50,000 FPPs - Available to PlatinumStar or higher, $0.013/FPP, $0.0325/VPP. (4,550 VPPs to clear) $1500 for 100,000 FPPs - Available to Supernova or higher, $0.015/FPP, $0.0525/VPP. (10,500 VPPs to clear) $4000 for 250,000 FPPs - Available to Supernova or higher, $0.016/FPP, $0.056/VPP. (28,000 VPPs to clear) (Source: http://www.pokerstars.com/fpp/store/cash-bonus/) Overview of the Milestone Bonuses You receive Milestone Bonuses for breaking a set number of VPPs in a calendar year. Each of the these costs 50,000 FPPs. $2,000 at 200,000 VPP (10,000 VPPs to clear) $3,000 at 300,000 VPP (15,000 VPPs to clear) $4,000 at 400,000 VPP (20,000 VPPs to clear) $5,000 at 500,000 VPP (25,000 VPPs to clear) $6,000 at 600,000 VPP (30,000 VPPs to clear) $8,000 at 800,000 VPP (40,000 VPPs to clear) $10,000 for every 250,000 VPPs above 1 Million (50,000 VPPs to clear) $10,000 additional Bonus for 2 and 3 Million VPPs (Source: http://www.pokerstars.com/fpp/store/special/vip-reward/) Figuring Out How Fast You Gain VPPs This thread (also by me) explains in easy-to-do fashion how to figure out your own personal VPPs-per-hand rate at some level using Poker Tracker: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ps-t65238.html Some Example VPP/Hand and Rakeback Calculations The following are hand samples for full ring NLHE taken from PokerStars sometime this year: Code:
Stakes Hands VPPs Rake Silver RB Gold RB Platinum RB SuperN RB SuperN4k RB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25nl 28637 3601 $497.60 0.1086 0.1650 0.2352 0.3799 0.4052 50nl 34886 6694 $832.60 0.1206 0.1833 0.2613 0.4221 0.4502 100nl 62250 22783 $2,652.60 0.1288 0.1958 0.2791 0.4509 0.4810 200nl 70562 30400 $3,943.95 0.1156 0.1757 0.2505 0.4047 0.4317 400nl 27523 15447 $2,481.65 0.0934 0.1419 0.2023 0.3268 0.3486 The following are hand samples for six-max NLHE taken from PokerStars sometime this year: Code:
Stakes Hands VPPs --------------------- 400nl 36678 19324 600nl 26874 15984 1knl 20783 13297 2knl 19074 13598 VPPs/Hands Calculator I made this quick script since people couldn't figure out the math involved and since I got tired of being asked to do it for them: VPP Calculator. Note that since no one has contributed any 6-max numbers, it only gives the numbers for full ring since I don't have anything for 6-max to work with. Using the Milestones in a Rakeback Calculation Suppose you plan to play 200nl full ring all year with an average of 15k hands/week, you start the year off as a Supernova, and you would like to know the percentage of your rake that you would get back in bonuses if you only used Milestone bonuses and the $4000 bonus, using lesser bonuses only if you have FPPs left over at the end of the year. First we need to decide how many FPPs you will gain all year long. Note that 15k hands/week gives us 780k hands over the course of the year, which is about 336045 VPPs, or about 1176158 FPPs. Since we'll be breaking 300k VPPs, we will pick up the $2000 and $3000 milestone bonuses. For simplicity, we will start with those in our calculation. Code:
Starting Balance: 1176158 FPPs $ 0.00 After $2000 Milestone: -50000 FPPs 1126158 FPPs $ 2000.00 After $3000 Milestone: -50000 FPPs 1076158 FPPs $ 5000.00 After $4000 VIP Bonus: -250000 FPPs 826158 FPPs $ 9000.00 After $4000 VIP Bonus: -250000 FPPs 576158 FPPs $ 13000.00 After $4000 VIP Bonus: -250000 FPPs 326158 FPPs $ 17000.00 After $4000 VIP Bonus: -250000 FPPs 76158 FPPs $ 21000.00 After $650 VIP Bonus: -50000 FPPs 26158 FPPs $ 21650.00 After $285 VIP Bonus: -25000 FPPs 1158 FPPs $ 21935.00 PokerStars Reload Bonuses The typical PokerStars reload bonus is a bonus of $120 on a deposit of $600 (20%). To release the bonus, you have to earn 15x the bonus amount in VPPs, but you still earn the FPPs from those VPPs and you still "keep" the VPPs earned to clear the bonus. At the time of this writing (7/23/2008) there is a WCOOP reload bonus of $240 on a deposit of $600 (40%) as part of PokerStars' 2x Promotion. To release this bonus, you have to earn 20x the bonus amount in VPPs. Since all players earn VPPs at the same rate (dependent on their stakes, of course) the approximate equivalent rakeback from this bonus (not counting usage of the FPPs earned releasing the bonus) are as follows (for full ring only, again I don't have 6-max samples because no one will contribute them to the thread). This table lists the stakes, approximate hands needed to release, approximate rake accumulated during the time it takes to release, and the approximate equivalent rakeback for the reload bonuses: Code:
20% reload bonus, $120 bonus on a deposit of $600 (1800 VPPs to clear) Stakes Hands Rake Rakeback -------------------------------- 25nl 14315 $248.73 0.4825 50nl 9381 $223.88 0.5360 100nl 4918 $209.57 0.5726 200nl 4178 $233.52 0.5139 400nl 2641 $238.45 0.5032 40% reload bonus, $240 bonus on a deposit of $600 (4800 VPPs to clear) Stakes Hands Rake Rakeback -------------------------------- 25nl 38172 $663.28 0.3618 50nl 25015 $597.02 0.4020 100nl 13115 $558.86 0.4294 200nl 11141 $622.73 0.3854 400nl 7043 $635.87 0.3774 Concierge Service FTR member kingnat has written a pretty good Q&A for the concierge service available here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...39.html#760805 Edit Log: July 12, 2008 - Added the new $4000 bonus and rakeback equivalent data for the bonus for the Supernova level. July 13, 2008 - Added an example rakeback calculation using milestone bonuses. July 23, 2008 - Added reload bonuses information. August 9, 2008 - Added VPP/hands calculator. August 12, 2008 - Added some 6-max data (thanks AndyAKB), removed flawed 400nl FR data, updated VPP calculator. August 13, 2008 - Added corrected 400nl FR data (thanks mcatdog). September 25, 2008 - Added link to kingnat's concierge Q&A. |
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My stats for 2-4 full ring Code:
Stakes Hands VPPs Rake Silver RB Gold RB Platinum RB Supernova RB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 400nl 26699 18197 $2,410.60 0.1132 0.1721 0.2453 0.3963 |
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Spoon, in your opinion, should most people just buy these bonuses as soon as they can, or would you advise waiting until being able to buy a certain 1? Also, I've read that some people say that you get more value out of OneCall gift cards or saving your FPPs for concierge (assuming you make Supernova). One more quick question, when you buy a bonus, does it get released in increments for every xx VPP you earn, or is it all released at once after you clear the entire xx VPP required (pretty sure it's the 2nd option, but want to know for sure)? |
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| IDK about spoon's original intentions, but I would like to see individuals w/ >25k hands at a particular limit/game post their stats (as mcat did), so we can improve the statistics. I'm hoping to get mine up later today. | ||||
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| So I received this email from my RB provider about PokerStars. Someone tell me what difference there is compared to the regular VPP/FPP plan. | ||||
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First, yes for 6-max you use $2 instead of $3 for the second VPP in a hand. Quote:
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Dude, it's not that secret. It's on their page. https://www.raketherake.com/PokerStars.html pm me if you want a referral. |
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lol wtf They just have a less accurate version of what I've posted in this thread. There was a Party Poker-like Stars RB going for a while, which I thought you were referring to. What you've linked to there is the same thing as I've mentioned above and needs no referral. |
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ty for this post what do you think about the 5400 fpp sngs? 4/10 people win a seat if im correct 5400 FPP = $86 and compared to the 4k bonus u need to win a seat 43% of the time for it to be just as good (which would be break even on cash equiv for FPP) if u play them at good times do you think you could cash >43% of the time? Idk i have won quite a lot of the seats in the past but never logged results but generally if i can double up my stack to 3k i feel like i can usually win a seat (unless its not a soft time to play) |
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If you're playing 5 of them in an hour (which seems reasonable) and you win 2, you've won T$ 530. But then you have to subtract what an hour's worth of EV would be if you were playing your normal game. For lower stakes players this isn't so much of an issue, but you might be better off playing the 210 FPP satellites for T$ 11 or whatever it is, since it has similar value and lower variance, though it would take longer to play through a large number of FPPs. |
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The hidden cost is something i havent considered but if you can maintain 60% win in those then you have a 17% advantage (which is like 85$ per sng) so depending on your stakes (i play 1/2) i suppose the 4k bonus may be better for someone playing 5/10 or whatever b/c its just not worth their time to clear that extra bit. Personally i dont mind it much. Just because opportunities come up where for e.g. u dont want to play cash games. |
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Also the 210 fpp satellites are sort of a bad suggestion imo. They would take alot longer to play (5400/210 = 25 games) and also have a slightly worse exchange, 700 FPP = $11 in them, 5400/700 = 7.714 * 11 = 84.85$ equiv for 5400 sng Standard for the 5400 is (215*4)/10 = = 86 So theres a slight difference of 1.34% in value for FPPs that + the time it would take makes it sort of bad compared (but i see what you're saying about variance for lower stakes players who care) |
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I'm personally of the opinion that everyone should always save their FPPs for at least the $650 bonus, and if they can't play high enough to get the VIP status required for that bonus, then they should play on Full Tilt with rakeback and bonus until they make it that high. |
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Just noting that I updated this sticky with a link to the VPP Calculator I made that people should find useful. http://www.spoonitnow.com/vpp_calc.php A quick example: To find out how many hands at each limit it would take to get Supernova VIP status, type 100000 into the VPPs box and hit the Gogogogo button. Quote:
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i figured this out like a month ago, but FTR was down when i tried to post it, so here it is: all nl50 on stars hands: 70,426 1 VPP hands: 14,702 2 VPP hands: 2,271 Total VPP: 16,973 VPP/hand: .241 |
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Very informative thread, thank you. One question regarding the VPP Calculator - the number of hands are all hands played or only those hands that had a rake of $.40 or more? Thanks! |
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| Bump - Does anyone have any stakes vpp/per hand that they can add? | ||||
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| Does anyone know the rakeback equivalents for 6max LHE. | ||||
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Wouldn't this way be double counting the $3 raked hands if the first set we filter for are hands with at least $0.40 rake since obviously $3 rake is at least $0.40 rake? Or is it just an easier way to add a second VPP rather than doing something like: 1. Filter all hands between $0.40 and $2.99 rake = 1 VPP per hand 2. Filter all hands > $3 rake = 2 VPP per hand 3. Add 1 + 2 |
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200NL 6max 48,966 hands = 24,264 VPPs Raked hands $.40+ = 17433 Raked hands $2.00+ = 6831 0.4957VPP/hand 100NL 6max 38,700 hands = 14720 VPPs Raked hands $.40+ = 11750 Raked hands $2.00+ = 2970 .38VPP/hand 50NL 6max 27,525 hands = 6362VPPs Raked hands $.40+ = 5459 Raked hands $2.00+ = 903 .231VPP/hand Bahhh lost so many hands when I switched to new PC or else would have bigger sample size (I did wayyy more 100NL and 50NL hands than that). |
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6-Max LHE 1/2 5903 hands = 2049 VPP 0.347VPP / Hand |
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Thanks for the numbers guys, we really appreciate it! Does anyone else have any hands/vpps to contribute? |
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according to HEM, all at 6max (2 are small samples obv): 10nl - 8806 hands for 377vpps (0.04 vpp/hand) 25nl - 71155 hands for 9325 vpps (0.13 vpp/hand) 50nl - 50253 hands for 12363 vpps (0.25 vpps/hand) 100nl - 8353 hands for 2905 vpps (0.35vpps/hand) |
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I haven't played a lot at PS since my hard drive last crashed; I'm only there if they have a decent reload or I feel like playing SNGs. Here's what I have: .50/1.00 LHE I earned VPPs at .19/hand. 8,130 hands = 1,545 VPPs according to PT and HEM filters. Below .5/1 LHE VPPs are close to none/hand (.01386/hand @.25/.50 over a few thousand hands) |
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Don't play much at Stars, but here's what I have. LHE Full Ring 0.25/0.50 - 1689 hands, 53 VPPs (0.03 VPP/hand) 0.5/1 - 4746 hands, 1033 VPPs (0.22 VPP/hand) 1/2 - 7683 hands, 3044 VPPs (0.40 VPP/hand) 2/4 - 6960 hands, 3076 VPPs (0.44 VPP/hand) 3/6 - 2295 hands, 1377 VPPs (0.60 VPP/hand) LHE 6-max 0.5/1 - 1692 hands, 290 VPPs (0.17 VPP/hand) |
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| SICK thread. FAVORITE! Why no sticky? | ||||
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- How much FPP do you have? - What 'star' are you? (Platinum? Supernova?) - What kind of volume are you putting in? - How quickly do you need the money? An example would be someone playing 100NL making about 15k VPP a month and is platinum right now. If he has around 60K FPP, his better of saving that for until he goes Supernova (assuming his been getting 15k VPP monthly) and getting concierge/supernova bonus. In the same example, let's say times are rough and his living off his roll and requires to withdraw a certain amount and can't afford to let his roll slide a bit for the month for w/e reason, then he should get the $650 bonus because of the time value of money. As for what to get with your FPP for the best "value", refer to this link: http://www.fpppro.com/best-fpp-value.php |
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PokerStars is changing their VPP program. This is a response from Stars: Thanks for your email. The tables offer a new way to award VPPs with the 5xVPP/newVPP tables. Once we know the tables are working, they will be launched for all Heads Up tables, 6max NLH/PL, 6max PLO and NL/PL Omaha H/L. Example: NLH Heads Up Table 25c-50c Blinds 50 Cent Rake Currently we award each player 1 VPP 5xVPP/newVPP tables see the 50 cents as 2.5 VPPs (20 cents per VPP like we have for SNGs) awarding each player Our data shows we will be awarding 16% more VPPs for these tables with the new system. Please do not hesitate to write to us again if we can be of any further assistance. Thank you very much for choosing PokerStars, we wish you a pleasant playing experience. Regards, Rinders P PokerStars Support Team It looks like the small grinders get more here. |
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The trick seems to be to find the best bang for your buck in terms of x FPP per $1 and, so far, the sporadic monthly rewards seem to be the way to go. For example, the regular $285 cash bonus, which you would have to clear, costs 25k FPP, which breaks down to 87.72 FPP per $1. However, this month in September of 2009, you can get $200 of straight up cash for 12500 FPP, which breaks down to 62.5 FPP per $1, which is a much better value since using 40% more FPP's would put you back in the range of the regular bonus. I am hoping this month to hit Gold Star, build up 15,500 FPP's, and buy the $248 worth of September 2009 special offers - 12500 FPP for $200, 2500 FPP for $40, and 500 FPP for $8. All three of those offers break down to 62.5 FPP/$. Is that pretty much what everyone else does? Just wait for the good monthly offers? I broke down the items on that web page link, less the tournament and ticket items, by FPP/$, which seems much more useful than $/FPP and sorted it from best to worst or lowest FPP/$ to highest and there are only 5 items that come out ahead of this month's specials @ 62.5 FPP/$: Porshe Cayman S @ 49.83 FPP/$ (Supernova) Pioneer 60-Inch Plasma HDTV 60.00 FPP/$ (Supernova) Samsung 32-Inch 1080p LCD HDTV 61.28 FPP/$ (Gold Star) Concierge 62.00 FPP/$ (Supernova) $2500 ePlatinum Travel 62.40 FPP/$ (Silver Star) And 3 of those 5 are only available to Supernova's. |
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So, I just hit Platinum Star for the first time and I read over the email they send congratulating me and it got me thinking. I'm a cash player, but there are VIP tournament offers and free-rolls. Is there any way I can take advantage or cash in on those without playing? If not, is it worth it for me to enter the free-roll or spend the 100 FPP's and the like? Other than waiting for 62.5 FPP per $1 cash bonus specials each month, are there any other tips for taking full advantage of your VIP status @ Platinum or other level? |
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| Man great poast! I was just sitting down with a calculator and pen and paper trying to figure all the BS out. Cool stuff on the concierge service too. I never knew how that worked. Thought they sent hookers to your house or something. | ||||
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So, PokerStars didn't offer a December 62.5 FPP per $1 cash bonus this month  Typically, how many of those per year do they give and when might the next one be? Any advice from my last post above on 11/30/2009? |
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| ^ and ^^ spammer, incompetent , multiaccounter or just a dickhead. | ||||
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| thanx for sharing this information online.............your information is appreciated | ||||
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