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04-13-2010, 06:31 PM
Post subject: Pokerstars new structure
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Full House
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Ring Game Buy-In Changes
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- 20-50 bb, with default buy-in of 40bb
- 40-100 bb, with default buy-in of 80bb
- 100-250 bb, with default buy-in of 200bb and ante equal to 20% of the Big Blind
Of the top of my head there are good benfits for us begginers to play at the 20-50 tables as it becomes correct to stack off on the flop with TPTK in many more situations.
40-100bb is good as well as it allows us to play poker but avoid the ultra short stackers
even 100-250 is good because there aren't a lot of resources of how to play 250bb deep so it could be soft
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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The starting pot 9-handed is like it would be if the blinds were 1.1/2.2 BB, for what it's worth.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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!Luck
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Full House
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Which is cool since poeple are still folding their blinds like there is 1.5 blinds. So stealing is even more profitable now.
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thumbs up, pokerstars
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Update needed for HEM to see the new format tables... At least for me anyway.
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Stars Hud or Tournament Import Issues 13/14 April - Holdem Manager Forums
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So I just played a session and it was rediculous. I played the shortstacked games because it looked so fishy, but I didn't really pick up any hands and everyone just kept on shoving, I had no real chances to steal. This could be a profitable game, but I hate playing shortstacked, and I'd probably just play as a nit and hope to get paid off by the agreesive fish. Its gonna be hard to play pocket pairs here now though, because the implied odds just aren't there.
I haven't checked out the 50-100bb games yet, but from just the stats in the lobby, it looks like it got way less fishy. plrs/Flop is like 25% on the tables with seats now, before at this hour, tables that were above 35% were easy to find. this means less people dumping money to me which is definitely not good. Maybe playing more SCs in position and pp might be more profitable here, especially against people that you know will stack off with overpair/tptk here.
Thoughts??
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mbiz
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then 40-100 sounds more fishy than the 50bb+ which is all i ever played. i look forward to playings
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the 20-50 tables are nuts. however, they are very profitable if you play like a complete nit. The first night I tried them I wasn't prepared for what I was going to be facing so I didn't spend to much time there, but last night I had alot of time to just sit and watch the table before I even started playing. Once I knew what kindof action was going around I jumped in a real fishy table and played like a COMPLETE nit. The funny part is the fish don't even realize when you are playing like this. They will still call your PFR and try to move on the flop with air. I can't even remember how many times I got paid off from like A2o, or K9o... just weak hands will call you once they limp and really all you have to do is move out of the way of the shovers until you have the right hand
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Jason
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I do not like the idea of shortstacking and have avoided those tables so as not contribute to any popularity they may or may not have. I strongly urge everyone else to do the same. I guess if they end up being popular and here to stay, I'll revisit the issue, but I'm not interested in novelty, one hit wonder games like these.
With just 2 days to evaluate from, the quality of games has gone up in the 40bb - 100bb but the quantity has gone down. It's tough to tell if the quality makes up for the quantity. My hope is the quantity goes up once people figure out that shoving 20% to half your stack pre-flop isn't really that fun and you can make more money and play more than one street of poker on the "real" tables.
I've played a little on the deep tables. If you can just get one or two fish on those and get a hand so they pay you off deep, that's obviously a +EV scenario. I think I ALMOST had that happen last night on a $100NL deep table. He was pretty fishy and had 250bb I had KK on a KQxQK board and swung for the fences raising 200 into a 70 pot or so. He time banked and thought it over for a while, but sadly folded. He then told me "nice bluff" in the chat. Ah well ...
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Wow.. @ deepstack people just aren't adjusting to the antes and folding their blinds..
@ 10 NL with .02 ante for 31 cent pot people are folding BB to a minraise... over and over... getting 5-1....
play is otherwise really tight though.. no getting super paid off much.
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Jason
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I'm starting to get nervous. I'm seeing players I've never seen before who seem a lot more aggressive and tough and instead of mediocre, fish, or the occasional short stacker joining me @ the table I'm trying to start, it's regs or these new unknown players. It feels like players are dropping stakes. I'm starting to have more $100NL versus my usual $200NL tables than I did before. I'll keep sticking with it for a while, but what's really depressing is how far reaching these changes seem to be. If I couldn't find a good $200NL table, I could instantly find a good $100NL and now I can't even do that. I read somewhere that players @ $50NL are having trouble finding good games.
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50 NL seems the same to me. I have the 20-50, and deep tables filtered out.
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playin 40-100BB 50NL havent been here long but it seems tougher since the change. been playing 25NL 40-100BB a good bit more now. interesting to see where things go.
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basically for anyone who only played 50bb min tables prior to this change, the 40-100 tables are will probably seem the same if not softer.
for those who tried to avoid regulars and hardly ever played 50bb min tables the 40-100bb tables will probably appear significantly tougher than what used to be the 'regular' tables.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason
I'm starting to get nervous. I'm seeing players I've never seen before who seem a lot more aggressive and tough and instead of mediocre, fish, or the occasional short stacker joining me @ the table I'm trying to start, it's regs or these new unknown players. It feels like players are dropping stakes. I'm starting to have more $100NL versus my usual $200NL tables than I did before. I'll keep sticking with it for a while, but what's really depressing is how far reaching these changes seem to be. If I couldn't find a good $200NL table, I could instantly find a good $100NL and now I can't even do that. I read somewhere that players @ $50NL are having trouble finding good games.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Jason
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You take quite an interest in my posts 
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who gonna ask who out first
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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I dunno maybe it seems the same to me since I just moved back down to 50 from 100. I did look at the 20-50 tables today. I was surprised at how many 50bbers were on them, without many 20bbers. I did not play them though, so don't know if the play is hella bad or what.
FWIW I did open 2 pretty fishy 100 tables np with only 40-100bb tables filtered.
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fucking amazing! was cracking up.
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Roco415.
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Games are a lot tighter. I usually 13-table at 25NL or 8-table at 50NL, and I can't fill up my dance card without getting some tables with players-to-flop stats in the single digits. Many of the fish seem to have migrated.
Of course, profits are still out there to be made if we make the needed adjustments. Slower going though.
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