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The Nolan
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05-26-2009, 12:48 AM
Post subject: Pokerstars Admits Rigging
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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Hey,
well it seems pokerstars finally admitted to rigging their hands.. should we trust wikipedia? maybe.But it's probably just something made up. Just read the section about it on wikipedia .(i can't post links, im a noob)thoughts? Personally I never noticed.. Probably because I don't play stars very often.
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mrhappy333
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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mrhappy333
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I'm sure this won't be here long
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PokerSt...f_Staged_Hands
from wiki obviously written in by OP)
Admission of Staged Hands
On May 23, 2009, PokerStars finally admitted what had been suspected by most players of online poker sites for some time: The hands played out on the site are not random, but are instead rigged to create the most dramatic wins and bigger pots. PokerStars officers stated they see nothing wrong with this policy, claiming that they are a "business, and like any business, we need to make a profit."
Legitimate, random poker does not offer the sort of action, in enough quantity, to constantly create the large pots and correspondingly larger rakes that online poker sites need to turn a profit. In the press release issued by PokerStars, the operating officers stated:
"Anyone who plays poker regularly knows that a high percentage of hands are folded, just aren't played. We can't operate a site that simply has a bunch of people sitting at a table folding all the time. We need to make money. So hands are engineered to create large amounts of betting, where we can collect a high rake. If we didn't do this, we wouldn't be able to operate at a profit."
Examples of these "engineered" hands are a much higher than normally probable percentage of hands which are won on the "river", or last card; higher than statistically probable instances of two or more people in the hand both having what looks to be the best hand, and subsequently betting big against each other; never giving someone the second-best possible hand without someone else having the best possible hand; etc. PokerStars also rewards highly aggressive betting, and will make sure that anyone playing aggressively, no matter with what cards, will catch the cards they need to win. According to the statement released by PokerStars: "We have a program that handles all of this."
When questioned as to why they are releasing this now, PokerStars responded, "It's been obvious from the start to anyone who plays for any length of time on the site. We've frankly gotten tired of having to defend it."
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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jyms
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
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No lock yet, but we will let others comment first.
Because we know Wikipedia is teh bible.
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The Nolan
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and it's gone! so much for that story. and btw, the article said something about a press release... too bad it doesn't exist. Oh... and I guess I just shat on my reputation at this forum. lmao. I didn't write the article.
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mrhappy333
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yep, its gone already, that was quick
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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bigspenda73
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Stars admitting to a slight rig in the 2-7 games back when they started, where players couldn't receive the same card on 3rd
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meeloche
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What a conspiracy, clearly pokerstars got their hand on wikepedia and paid them to delete it. Keep fighting the good fight OP! The Truth is out there...
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
Examples of these "engineered" hands are a much higher than normally probable percentage of hands which are won on the "river", or last card;
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If extra rake is their motive, they don't care who wins, why why rig the river?
hoax FAIL.
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tpb221
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Stars admitting to a slight rig in the 2-7 games back when they started, where players couldn't receive the same card on 3rd
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I thought they still did this. From what I understand, they did not keep this a secret, but posted on thier web site that they were going to do this before it happened.
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bigspenda73
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yea idk I don't play the game anymore, just remember it
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StevenCJames
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Originally Posted by meeloche
What a conspiracy, clearly pokerstars got their hand on wikepedia and paid them to delete it. Keep fighting the good fight OP! The Truth is out there... |
I Want to Believe!
It has to be rigged, I winning way too much!
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quadaces9999
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is this a level?
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bjsaust
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
We can't operate a site that simply has a bunch of people sitting at a table folding all the time.
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Yeah, that sounds like an official press release
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Just playing to improve.
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rllngn
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this is the part i find true, that they will give 2 hands out to creat a bigger rake, the part everyone has to look out for is the action hands, those where you find youself looking at it and wondering if you are being traped lol, its not like im going to quit playing just going to have to reconginze them a little better lol
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Originally Posted by rllngn
this is the part i find true, that they will give 2 hands out to creat a bigger rake, the part everyone has to look out for is the action hands, those where you find youself looking at it and wondering if you are being traped lol, its not like im going to quit playing just going to have to reconginze them a little better lol
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Mr. Quayle?
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mrhappy333
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I'm glad I coppied the article, because it wasn't up long. And it reads like a 5th grade Press release
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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SolidGold
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
I'm glad I coppied the article, because it wasn't up long. And it reads like a 5th grade Press release
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I know Im kind of late...but do you have a copy of that article? Just wondering, did you copy and paste copy it or did you take a screenshot because that would be great. Those statements they made are enough to get them sued.
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jyms
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Keith
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Originally Posted by FoolsGold
I know Im kind of late...but do you have a copy of that article? Just wondering, did you copy and paste copy it or did you take a screenshot because that would be great. Those statements they made are enough to get them sued.
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its on the internet so it must be true
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poke_her_4_life
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Money talks and PokerStars had there money talk to get that deleted and I have seen it happen on a few other wiki type sites about PokerStars, FullTilt and UltimateBet. I believe to a point.
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Poker Orifice
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rllngn
this is the part i find true, that they will give 2 hands out to creat a bigger rake, the part everyone has to look out for is the action hands, those where you find youself looking at it and wondering if you are being traped lol, its not like im going to quit playing just going to have to reconginze them a little better lol
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WOW, thanks for posting this!!! Now if I could only recognize when I'm holding 2nd best? (if I've got KK... should I consider laying it down?... I mean wouldn't they typically be dealing out AA in this spot?).
tks rllngn you're either gonna save me alot of $'s with this info. (which I guess will be just like making me $'s).
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