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Aces

01-11-2005, 01:30 PM Post subject: Pokerroom bonus - what am I missing?

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Signed up for the Pokerroom bonus and started playing last night. Not that crazy about the layout compared to PP or PS, but maybe it just takes some getting used to. I started with .25/.50 NL and noticed I was clearing very few bonus points, so I moved to .50/1.00. Still seemed to be clearing incredibly slowly. After probably 1.5 hrs on one table(I'll probably 2table after I get used to it), I've cleared 9 points(!).

Is this typical? Have most of you played limit to clear this bonus? I'm more of an SNG player and I'm just using bonuses right now to work on my NL ring and make a few bucks while having a cushion. I think they give you a little for SNGs, but that would be very slow as well. At this point I'm down $3, I may just cash it all out.

They give 1 pt for rake >= $1, .5 for >.50, 0 for less than .50. Assumming 1/3 of each(which seems VERY iffy), it would take 2240 hands to clear this bonus!

What am I missing??

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01-11-2005, 02:42 PM

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It definitely takes a while to clear the bonus. I ended up 3 tabling - 2 .50/1.00 and 1 1/2 table to finally knock it out. I think I ended up clearing my final 50 points in 3 or 4 hours that way. Just keep on pluggin at it.

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Fnord

01-11-2005, 03:14 PM Post subject: Re: Pokerroom bonus - what am I missing?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aces

Assumming 1/3 of each(which seems VERY iffy), it would take 2240 hands to clear this bonus!

Doesn't everyone play that many hands per day?

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01-11-2005, 03:21 PM

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My wife signed up there to get the bonus last night, and when I got home later she was saying how she didn't like it, too dark, slow, etc. and that she was going to just pull her money back out. I thought maybe she got hit with a run of bad cards and lost some money, or something, so I told her if she wants, I'll play there and work on her bonus if she wants.

I heard a lot of good things, here and elsewhere about it, so I wanted to try it anyway. I didn't like it either. I don't know if there's another version, but the java applet makes play seem very slow. I don't like the interface that much either. Everything seems very small and dark. Also, the bonus seemed very slow to clear. Maybe it just seemed that way because we just got done going through the 1400 hands each for the Empire reload bonus for $400, that this just didn't seem worth it. Eventually I agreed with the wife and we yanked the money out.

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01-11-2005, 03:25 PM Post subject: Re: Pokerroom bonus - what am I missing?

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Assumming 1/3 of each(which seems VERY iffy), it would take 2240 hands to clear this bonus!

Doesn't everyone play that many hands per day?

Damn pros...

Guess I was used to the PP formula. At Pokerroom I'll have to play at slightly higher limits AND play more hands. At least they give you 60 days to clear it.

Gutshot - wow that's slow. Not sure it wouldn't be more profitable for me to just skip it and stick to SNGs. BTW, was that Limit or NL? Do you remember how many hands to clear and at what bonus amount?

Miggo - yeah I had the same thoughts about the layout. PP and PS just seem so much clearer and easy to read to me. Haven't decided for sure yet, but I'm leaning towards pulling it back out.

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01-11-2005, 03:45 PM

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It's geared towards higher limit games. You need to play at a level where $1 in rake is common for most hands. That's equates to an average pot size of $20. If you're playing .5/1 it will take forever, since many pots won't even get raked for $0.50.

If you're in to clearing bonuses, Absolute Poker is a far better place to do it. Even though you need 10x the bonus amount in raked hands, any hand raked over $0.25 qualifies. I've already detailed in another post that you could just post and fold on the $0.25 NL tables and come out ahead with their bonus system.

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01-11-2005, 03:59 PM

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I agree with koolmoe. We were playing at .50/1.00 limit and not many pots get to 10.00 at that limit. We were used to getting credit for the 5.00 pots at the pp skins.

I have the bankroll, partly because of bonuses, but not the gonads to move up to 1/2. Just not sure about my bb/100 at this level. I was negative bb/100 when I started and have been positive bb/100 for awhile, but I don't know how many bb/100 over what period of time constitues trying to move up. 2bb/100 over the last 10,000 hands, 5bb, 10bb over the last 10K hands? That's where I'm stuck.

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01-11-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by koolmoe

Thanks, kinda what I figured. I'm gonna look at some rakeback programs before signing up for any more sites, but I'm sure I'll hit Absolute once I do. Could do the same thing for PP bonuses(post and fold - though once you start playing it's hard to actually do

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01-11-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Miggo

but I don't know how many bb/100 over what period of time constitues trying to move up. 2bb/100 over the last 10,000 hands, 5bb, 10bb over the last 10K hands? That's where I'm stuck.

I think you just know when it's time. When you can cap the turn and not think about the amount of money you just put into the pot, you're ready to move up permanently.

FWIW, I moved up to $5/$10 when my bankroll was 500BB, not when I had played X number of hands. It took a while to stop thinking about the $ and just think about bets, but I eventually got there.

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01-11-2005, 04:13 PM

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I am in the middle of clearing this bonus as well. One reason that it takes longer to clear than other places (aside form the player point format, which I don't like regardless of the site) is that the rake at PokerRoom is slightly less at the front end of the pot (altho slightly higher overall) than that of say, Party & Skins.

For example:

PokerRoom:
- LIMIT: $0.25-$0.50 to $0.50-$1
$0.05 is raked for every $1 in the pot up to a maximum of $1.50.
* Takes a pot of at least $10 to earn 1/2 Player Point ($0.50 rake) and at least $20 to earn 1 Player Point ($1 rake)

- LIMIT: $1-$2
$0.25 is raked for every $5 in the pot up to a maximum of $1.50.
* Takes a pot of at least $10 to earn 1/2 Player Point ($0.50 rake) and at least $20 to earn 1 Player Point ($1 rake)

- NL/PL: $0.25-$0.50 to $0.50-$1
$0.05 is raked for every $1 in the pot up to the max rake (see below).
Number of players: 2-3 Max rake: $1
Number of players: 4-5 Max rake: $2
Number of players: 6-10 Max rake: $3
* Takes a pot of at least $10 to earn 1/2 Player Point ($0.50 rake) and at least $20 to earn 1 Player Point ($1 rake)

- NL/PL: $1-$2 to $2-$4
$0.25 is raked for every $5 in the pot up to the max rake (see below).
Number of players: 2-3 Max rake: $1
Number of players: 4-5 Max rake: $2
Number of players: 6-10 Max rake: $3
* Takes a pot of at least $10 to earn 1/2 Player Point ($0.50 rake) and at least $20 to earn 1 Player Point ($1 rake)

Party Poker & Skins:
It appears that Party & Skins make no differentiation in their rake structure between Limit and NL/PL games. At least none that I could find on their website.

- $0.50-$1 and $1-$2
Number of players: 2-10
Pot Size: $5 Rake: $0.50
Pot Size: $12 Rake: $0.75
Pot Size: $20 Rake: $1

So, as you can see, at PokerRoom, for stakes up to $1-$2, it takes more money in the pot to get to that magical $0.50 rake where you start to earn player points. This makes playing at the $0.50-$1 tables (especially if you are playing Limit) very tedious to earn Player Points in order to clear the bonus.

I have been 2-tabling there to clear the bonus. I am playing either two $1-$2 NL tables, or one $1-$2 NL table and one $2-$4 Limit table. Doing this I am earning almost 2 Player Points for every 5 hands played. This comes out to close to 40%. Not even close to the 70-75% of total hands that end up being raked on the Party & Skins sites.

So, it's a slow-go. However, I must be in the minority because I do not mind the PokerRoom setup at all. It took a little getting used to but I do like it. Although, I will concede that they could brighten things up a bit.

Anyway, I hope this helps everyone understand why it's a slow-go to clear the PokerRoom bonuses.

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jmrogers7

01-11-2005, 04:15 PM

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Oops. Well, while I was putting together this dissertation on the rake structure, koolmoe summarized it in one sentence.

Sorry guys.

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